revelette
 
  3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 07:53 am
@parados,
Parados, I am pretty sure you are aware you are trying to point out something which has been denied by certain types of right wing supporters for years now. They must have convinced themselves that wrong is right to be blinded to their own misconceptions.

I don't know anything about that whole time period other than what every six grader knows, there was a world war, Germany was trying to rid the world of Jews and they suffered a terrible time during the holocaust. Never really dwelt down into political details of the time period.

But on just reading those quotes of Hitler's and recalling statements made in the last few years, I don't see how the comparison can be made between American leftists and Hitler. Liberals are all about inclusiveness of everyone no matter their race, religion, and sexual preference. Hitler was about exclusiveness of Jews.
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:16 am
Obama democrats choose to live their lives at the expense of others.
revelette
 
  3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 09:15 am
@H2O MAN,
Actually that is not true, we choose to help our fellow man in need (true need) regardless of our income whether we are rich or poor ourselves.

Well like the irresistible fascination with watching acidents, I guess I could do this all day, waterman, but got stuff to do this morning and afternoon.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:07 am
@revelette,
rev, that's the blue Kool-Aid talking.
Liberal democrats choose to pander to the dumdmasses with promises of help in exchange for their votes, but
their true intention is to deliver just enough booty to keep the dumbmasses on the liberal democrat plantation.
parados
 
  2  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:22 am
@H2O MAN,
I always find it rather humorous when squirt refers to 70% of Americans as "dumbmasses".
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:42 am
It's obvious that parasite is a clueless member of the dumbmasses
that enjoys a pathetic existence on the liberal democrat plantation.
blueveinedthrobber
 
  3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:46 am
@H2O MAN,
that's a lot of vocabulary for you.... same tired message... but bigger words.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:52 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
You are small and insignificant in every way.
rabel22
 
  2  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 01:54 pm
@revelette,
And between 8 and 10 million nonjews he considered political enemies.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 03:47 pm
@rabel22,
Obama and his liberal democrats will face an impossible task fooling that many Americans during the next presidential election.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 03:53 pm
@H2O MAN,
that's not what your wife tried to say and choked
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 04:33 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
Hey tiny, don't take this personal, but your body odor makes people in the next state choke... you stink.
okie
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:34 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
Parados, I am pretty sure you are aware you are trying to point out something which has been denied by certain types of right wing supporters for years now. They must have convinced themselves that wrong is right to be blinded to their own misconceptions.

I don't know anything about that whole time period other than what every six grader knows, there was a world war, Germany was trying to rid the world of Jews and they suffered a terrible time during the holocaust. Never really dwelt down into political details of the time period.

But on just reading those quotes of Hitler's and recalling statements made in the last few years, I don't see how the comparison can be made between American leftists and Hitler. Liberals are all about inclusiveness of everyone no matter their race, religion, and sexual preference. Hitler was about exclusiveness of Jews.
Interesting attempt to make a correlation there, revelette, but I would suggest to you to pay attention to where the hatred for Jews resides today in this country. It is not among conservatives, it is among Leftists. You will find among Leftists and Democrats their resentment of Zionism and the support of Israel by this country, both economically and militarily. You will also realize that Jews are being blamed for much, with even some conspiracy theories among Leftists that they brought down the towers, not the guys in the planes. Part of the hatred for Jews is also the theories they control the financial world, which is not far different than the ideas that Hitler had.

Liberals say they are about inclusiveness, but they really are not. Another evidence for this is to realize where the hatred of Christianity is coming from. A prime example is some really hateful stuff being called art by the National Endowment for the Arts. That stuff is not being produced by conservatives.
blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:40 pm
@H2O MAN,
wow...cutting edge...
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parados
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:44 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Interesting attempt to make a correlation there, revelette, but I would suggest to you to pay attention to where the hatred for Jews resides today in this country. It is not among conservatives, it is among Leftists.

That's an interesting take on it okie. On what do you base your argument that NeoNazis are leftist?

Are you going to argue that Pat Buchanan is a leftist?
okie
 
  -1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 09:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Quote:
Interesting attempt to make a correlation there, revelette, but I would suggest to you to pay attention to where the hatred for Jews resides today in this country. It is not among conservatives, it is among Leftists.
That's an interesting take on it okie. On what do you base your argument that NeoNazis are leftist?

Are you going to argue that Pat Buchanan is a leftist?
parados, I commend you for being fairly sharp in your debate tactics. If I believed as you do, I might have used the same questions.
Regarding NeoNazis, I do not know any, do you? And I am not aware of any significant political faction or movement in this country that are in any way similar to Nazis. Do you? I would not consider them to be even remotely conservative in their thinking at all, in fact conservatives are about as anti-Nazi as there could possibly be. Nazis were Fascists, and that is totally foreign to any true conservative in this country. I can tell you this much, I know lots of people, probably a couple hundred reasonably well enough to know they would all have no sympathies at all with any so-called Neo-Nazis. In fact, what little I know of any supposed Neo-Nazi, I think they would likely be some kind of street thug, probably druggee, with tattoos all over their body, probably without one iota of understanding of politics and probably with a mental problem.

Regarding Buchanan, I have in fact noticed some strange stuff being said by Buchanan in the past. I see the guy as sort of an anomoly, perhaps not a Leftist, but certainly not a true conservative either. I do not see him as fitting into any accurate box politically. As I said, I would consider him an atypical anomaly. I think he does have some conservative ideas, but on balance he would have little to no support among the vast majority of conservatives in this country, and one reason for that would be his anti-Semitic views. I would also remind you of folks like Jimmy Carter on the other side of the aisle for sure, that have similar views about Israel, that we have helped them too much, etc. It seems to me that there is more political weight on the Democratic side to withdraw all support of Israel, than there is on the Republican side.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Perhaps, okie thinks that collectivism is another name for the old-fashioned custom of filling a hope chest.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:27 pm
@parados,
Quote:
That's an interesting take on it okie. On what do you base your argument that NeoNazis are leftist?

Are you going to argue that Pat Buchanan is a leftist?


Back when okie was in college, he had a crush on a leftist girl. Actually, she wasn't a leftist, but the only woman around during the early 60s in Oklahoma who didn't have big hair. Anyway, she told him to go away and stop following her, so he has hated anyone he thinks is on the left since. That's why he makes up the sort of stuff he does. A broken heart.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:46 pm
From: Lawrence A. Hunter [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: Death Panels & Taxes
Quote:
DEATH PANELS & TAXES
...
Obama wants you to die inexpensively.

For an administration that professes to believe that health care is a fundamental right, it's rather ironic that ObamaCare intends pay for itself by sending seniors to an early grave via DEATH PANELS a.k.a. the Independent Medicare Advisory Board and the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute.

Government paid BureauDocs will play God, weigh the value of your life and render your final judgment. Here is how one commentator, Jane Chastain, columnist and political commentator at WorldNetDaily, put it in her Mar. 18, 2010 article "Fooling Granny," available at www.wnd.com:
"This bill sets up an Independent Medicare Advisory Board, which is to recommend cuts for the sole purpose of limiting the amount of resources going to Medicare patients. Some have called it a 'Death Panel.' You may think this is harsh, but if this bill passes, many seniors will die prematurely because the recommendations of these unelected bureaucrats will go into effect. Congress is not required to act on them!"

I know, I know, here we go again using scare tactics to get our point across, right? There is no such thing as Death Panels, right? After all AARP, Obama and the Liberal Media went FAR out of their way to "Expose the Myths of ObamaCare" from the opponents of Government-run health care, right? AARP would never betray seniors for profit, would they? RIGHT!

The world under ObamaCare truly has been turned upside down. For months they lied to us about death panels. "Death panels, you're exaggerating." Now that ObamaCare is law, the statists and social engineers are brazenly promoting Death Panels that target America's seniors and boomers as essential to "bend the cost curve down," right onto the backs of America's most vulnerable population.

...

Doubt it? Consider this: Dr. Donald Berwick, President Obama's new director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, vocally supports the rationing arm of Britain's National Health Service, the UK's own version of a death panel, which goes under the Orwellian label the National Institute for Clinical Effectiveness (NICE). NICE is responsible for determining whether or not the life-extending benefits a patient receives are worth the cost to the government.

Dr. Berwick calls this panel a "global treasure." One can just imagine the thrill up his leg Dr. Berwick feels at the mention of ObamaCare's version of comparative effectiveness to be carried out through the new death-research panel tagged the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute established to undertake comparative effectiveness research like NICE.

Additionally, Berwick's leg must tingle at the thought of the other death panel flying under cover of "efficiency and effectiveness", the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which will recommend spending and coverage cuts in Medicare to "improve clinical effectiveness," ways of slowing the growth of Medicare provider payments, reducing Medicare and Medicaid drug reimbursement rate and cutting other Medicare and Medicaid spending. In a word, RATIONING!

If you want to know what medicine in America will look like under ObamaCare, just examine how it operates under the strong arm of NICE where doctors are forbidden to prescribe vital drugs that prolong the life of cancer patients, such as Lapatinib and Sutent. NICE also heavily restricts Alzheimer's drugs for those in the early stages of the disease despite the fact that the early stages are when treatment can provide the most benefit.

Originally pitched as nothing more than a board to promote "best practices," NICE has become a rationing, death panel machine, and so will ObamaCare's various cost-control and clinical-effectiveness panels.

New York Times columnist and self-professed ObamaCare cheerleader Paul Krugman said recently on ABC's This Week –
"Some years down the pike, we're going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sale's taxes. Its going to be; we're actually going to take Medicare under control and we're going to have to get some additional revenue from a VAT."

Yeah, he actually said DEATH PANELS
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Fri 3 Dec, 2010 04:13 am
Obama lies.
 

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