Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

You are an insult and a liar as well. And you show your true colors. If you want to know the truth, I have lived and worked among Hispanics and blacks, as well as serving with them in the military. I think there is a black neighbor a couple houses or so down the way, and there are many more around here. I also worship with them. So would you kindly knock off the race baiting and insults?

Let us move forward as a nation and grow up, how about it? Let us tell the Census Bureau to cease counting people by color and race? Will you join me in calling for it, or are you going to continue your race baiting and hustling?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You are an insult and a liar as well. And you show your true colors. If you want to know the truth, I have lived and worked among Hispanics and blacks, as well as serving with them in the military. I think there is a black neighbor a couple houses or so down the way, and there are many more around here. I also worship with them. So would you kindly knock off the race baiting and insults?

Will you kindly knock off pretending that race doesn't exist? That discrimination, systematic discrimination, doesn't exist? When you are provided proof that it does, will you even bother to read the damn proof? Or are you saying here that you refuse to do so?

People who act in the manner that you do are the entire reason they keep those statistics, Okie. Without them there'd be no way to counter your bullshit. Which I'm sure you would enjoy. Nobody cares at all that you know minority folks; so what? You still vehemently deny the reality of their existence. It's insulting and I highly doubt you'd have the stones to tell them to their faces that they never experienced systematic discrimination from Banks and mortgage lenders.

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Let us move forward as a nation and grow up, how about it? Let us tell the Census Bureau to cease counting people by color and race? Will you join me in calling for it, or are you going to continue your race baiting and hustling?

Nobody is race baiting or hustling, Okie. I'm not calling you a racist or asking you for anything. Instead, I have provided you with facts, figures and evidence for my position. You have provided zero supporting evidence for yours, and what more, you refuse to even read the evidence I've provided. What about this says to you that you are holding up your end of the conversation?

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You are an insult and a liar as well. And you show your true colors.

Truth.

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@okie,

It was Nixon who introduced race based census.

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All people born with purple skin start out enemies of all other humans. All those born with any other skin color start out friends of all humanity except those with purple skin.

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@okie,

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Maybe they did have bad credit, revelette, how are you or I supposed to know different?

I seriously doubt that many minority/blacks had bad credit vs. whites with low income. The sheer number of disparity speaks for itself for any rational person who looks at the issue objectively.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I think it is interesting to watch this graph as Tuesday approaches. As Obama's Strongly Approve vs Strongly Disapprove index goes, so could go the election on Tuesday. Right now, it is Minus 19, which is not far from its historial low of about Minus 23 I think. (posted 10/29)

It is amusing to note that the Rasmussen Presidential Approval Index this morning has President Obama at -11. His Strongly Approve rating has broken above 30 for the 1st time since late April. His broader Approve/Disapprove rating is 50-49. He hit 50 on 2 days in February and on 3 straight days in November, 2009.
It means little, I guess. Perhaps it is attributable to his being very visible in the past few days. I would also suggest that it could be related to the little "October Surprise" that often seems to happen; in this case the apparent foiling of the Yemen Fedex/UPS package bomb caper.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I think there is a black neighbor a couple houses or so down the way

That's a coincidence. He thinks there's an idiot cracker a couple of houses or so down the way.

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@talk72000,

talk72000 wrote:

It was Nixon who introduced race based census.

Verifiably false.

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@joefromchicago,

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The question of race on the U.S. Census has extremely racist beginnings. According to the FAQ on the U.S. Census Bureau website, "the Census Bureau has included a question on race since the first census in 1790," (which they somehow seem to think justifies the continuation of this census question - we've been doing it for two hundred ten years, so it must be right?). What they fail to mention - very obviously on purpose - is why race data was collected in the first census in 1790 and thereafter. In order to illustrate to you the answer they are purposely avoiding, let's look at the U.S. Constitution as ratified in 1787. Article I, section 2 states, among other things,

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

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@okie,

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You are an insult and a liar as well.

Are you resorting to being a lying sack of **** okie?
You lie, you tell untruths and then you accuse others of it saying they aren't decent because they won't apologize to you. You are a piece of work okie. Maybe someday you will realize what decency and honesty even mean. But for now, you seem to think you are decent simply because you lie and don't want to believe it when people point out your lies.

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@parados,

Are you resorting to being a lying sack of ****, parados?
You lie, you tell untruths and then you accuse others of it saying they aren't decent because they won't apologize to you. You are a piece of work parados. Maybe someday you will realize what decency and honesty even mean. But for now, you seem to think you are decent simply because you lie and don't want to believe it when people point out your lies.

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@ican711nm,

I pointed out okie's lie ican. Care to point out mine?

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@joefromchicago,

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RICHARD NIXON: We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a family--let people like Pat Moynihan and [special consultant] Leonard Garment and others believe in all that crap. But I don't believe in it. Work, work--throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key.

JOHN D. EHRLICHMAN: The key is Reagan's neutrality. If Reagan blasts this thing and says it's not strong enough on the work-requirement end, that will be very bad.

NIXON: I have the greatest affection for them [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like.

http://www.miqel.com/reading_library/archived_stories/nixon-racism-marijuana-pope-gays.html

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The term Hispanic was first adopted by the United States government during the administration of Richard Nixon,[20] and has since been used in local and federal employment, mass media, academia, and business market research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

You are an insult and a liar as well. And you show your true colors. If you want to know the truth, I have lived and worked among Hispanics and blacks, as well as serving with them in the military. I think there is a black neighbor a couple houses or so down the way, and there are many more around here. I also worship with them. So would you kindly knock off the race baiting and insults?

Will you kindly knock off pretending that race doesn't exist? That discrimination, systematic discrimination, doesn't exist?

I am not pretending anything of the kind, but it is your politics and demagoguery that helps keep it going. If we ever want to be a color blind society, then we need to quit identifying people by their color and race. We need to start identifying people by their character. We could start by demanding the Census Bureau quit counting us by race and color.

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When you are provided proof that it does, will you even bother to read the damn proof? Or are you saying here that you refuse to do so?

You have yet to provide any proof. All you have given so far are statistics that prove nothing. If you care, I think there are a number of blacks and minorities that are sick of your ilk and your methods. Many are tired of the race hustlers like Jesse Jackson that make a living off of your kind of politics.

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People who act in the manner that you do are the entire reason they keep those statistics, Okie. Without them there'd be no way to counter your bullshit. Which I'm sure you would enjoy. Nobody cares at all that you know minority folks; so what? You still vehemently deny the reality of their existence. It's insulting and I highly doubt you'd have the stones to tell them to their faces that they never experienced systematic discrimination from Banks and mortgage lenders.

You have no proof that they have experienced it, cyclops, none. Not individual applicants, I doubt it very seriously.

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Let us move forward as a nation and grow up, how about it? Let us tell the Census Bureau to cease counting people by color and race? Will you join me in calling for it, or are you going to continue your race baiting and hustling?

Nobody is race baiting or hustling, Okie. I'm not calling you a racist or asking you for anything. Instead, I have provided you with facts, figures and evidence for my position. You have provided zero supporting evidence for yours, and what more, you refuse to even read the evidence I've provided. What about this says to you that you are holding up your end of the conversation?

Cycloptichorn

Instead of statistics, if you can cite one example of a bank conducting a policy of granting loans or not granting loans based upon the skin color or race of the applicant, I will acknowledge it. So far, I haven't seen any.

The point I am making here is that you can pick virtually any issue or achievement in this country and provide statistics to show that certain races either excel or do not excel to the average or optimum, but it proves nothing about racism at all. It is more likely a function of cultural tendencies, education, job skills, geographic location, and many other factors, cyclops.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

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Maybe they did have bad credit, revelette, how are you or I supposed to know different?

I seriously doubt that many minority/blacks had bad credit vs. whites with low income. The sheer number of disparity speaks for itself for any rational person who looks at the issue objectively.

revelette, I would guess that the price of home and amount of potential loan would make a large difference in terms of credit rating. In other words, I have a first rate and almost perfect credit rating, but I think I might be limited in regard to high much I could borrow, for example, could I purchase a house that was priced over a million? I doubt it, and I would not want to anyway.

The point of this discussion is that I am simply pointing out that there are numerous factors that influence the granting of loans, and liberals sitting out here making racist accusations based upon a few statistics is just hogwash, and an insult to basic common sense and decency. It seems that the first and last thought and impulse of the liberal mind is to blame everything on racism or something like that. Maybe it is because it is the way they think, so maybe they assume everyone else thinks the same way?

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

okie wrote:
I think there is a black neighbor a couple houses or so down the way

That's a coincidence. He thinks there's an idiot cracker a couple of houses or so down the way.

Do not judge others by the way you apparently think, joe.

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@cicerone imposter,

So apparently the reason for counting racial makeup of the population has been rendered unnecessary, right, ci? I see no reason to do it anymore. All men are created equal, so what does it matter? We are wasting tax dollars and creating a problem where none need to exist.

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@okie,

So, I take it that you simply aren't going to respond to the data I posted which very specifically proves your position wrong? Gotcha.

Very, very, very weak, Okie. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I expected more than this. The other day, I made an error with my math, and when you asked me about it, I admitted that I was wrong. You said that it was nice that people could admit when they were wrong, and that you didn't like it when people refused to do so, even when they clearly were. I want to ask you to consider those words when you think about how you have behaved in regards to this topic and the evidence which I have provided for you.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

To be honest, I have not read all of your links. As I recall, what I did read had statistical data showing black neighborhoods could not obtain loans as easily, which proves nothing. The question I keep asking is if you have any evidence that any bank had a specific policy of making a loan or not making a loan, based upon the race of the applicant. Can you provide any such evidence, yes or no? If you can, please post it.

Also, we need to distinguish between the question of whether it is an issue of neighborhoods not being given loans for the homes located there, or is it an issue of loan applicants not being granted loans? In case you are wondering why that is important, it would make much difference in determining whether any racial bias was used by the banks. In other words, it would appear to me that redlining neighborhoods is far different than redlining applicants.

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