Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Spendi, what liberals fail to realize is that conservatives are not against all regulation

It's hard for us to realize this when Conservatives do things like call for a freeze of ALL regulations - which happens pretty often.

Well, just a tiny bit of logic applied to what you just said would help you, cyclops. A freeze of regulations is not the same as eliminating them all. If freezing and eliminating mean the same to you, I would suggest you buy a dictionary. Also, freezing all salaries in government would not be the same as not paying the employees at all. Sometimes, cyclops, I suspect you are just not very intellectually honest, and I think you know it.

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The rest of your post is some sort of Randian rant, a black-and-white view of things that fails to take into account that the people you call 'producers' are as morally fallible, and more importantly, reliant on government and public policy for their wealth and happiness as anyone else.

Cycloptichorn

My post is simple common sense. Why you can't understand it, I don't know, but that is the liberal world of unreality that you live in, I guess I just have to accept the fact that you will never be persuaded by common sense logic.

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@okie,

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, I suspect you are just not very intellectually honest, and I think you know it.

This from the master of dishonesty?

Really okie..
You run away when it becomes clear to you that your lies are about to be exposed and now you are going to pretend others are dishonest?

So.. let's go back to exposing your dishonesty okie.

Do you think the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land?

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@parados,

I have no clue where you are going with this, Parados. Yes, I believe the Constitution is the basis of our laws, but I do not necessarily believe that the Supreme Court always correctly interprets the Constitution correctly.

By the way, any numbskull should agree with what I just pointed out.

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@okie,

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Any numbskull should agree with what I just pointed out.

Except for you and ican it seems.

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@okie,

So.. okie. If the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land than do you agree that the Constitution never states that taxes are illegal?

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@parados,

You lie as usual. Where have I ever said that the Supreme Court always interprets the Constitution correctly, and where have I ever said the Constitution should be ignored? Where? Put up or shut up, Parados. Frankly, I am fed up with your lawyerly garbage here.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So.. okie. If the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land than do you agree that the Constitution never states that taxes are illegal?

I am not aware I ever said the constitution declared taxes illegal, but I do think the constitution has things to say about how taxes are to be uniform, etc.

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@okie,

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I am not aware I ever said the constitution declared taxes illegal, but I do think the constitution has things to say about how taxes are to be uniform, etc.

So.. you are denying that you agreed with ican that taxes are illegal?

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@okie,

Since the Courts are given the power to interpret laws and the Constitution is a law. When you ignore the court rulings then you are ignoring the Constitution.

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@parados,

A challenge, produce a quote where I said taxes are unconstitutional or some such thing, either that or apologize if you have the decency. I am tired of being misrepresented, misquoted, and having my opinions twisted into something that is apparently part of your imagination.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Since the Courts are given the power to interpret laws and the Constitution is a law. When you ignore the court rulings then you are ignoring the Constitution.

Court rulings are not laws, parados. Only the Congress can make laws. Maybe you need to study Civics again? There are three branches of government, that will give you a hint at where to start on your study, and each branch has specific responsibilities. Actually, that is part of our problem nowadays, we have an activist court system that sometimes attempts to rewrite laws to say what they want them to say.

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@okie,

You have no decency okie. You are nothing but a lying sack of ****.

You claimed you never called for Obama's impeachment. Yet here are some of your quotes

okie wrote:

So, yes, I think Obama deserves impeachment,

okie wrote:

At this point, there is no realistic hope of impeaching Obama, although I think he deserves it, so I agree with you.

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I think Obama is corrupt and he has lied, but having the evidence would be tough in an impeachment proceeding to convince enough people, not yet.

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@okie,

So.. prove I have twisted your opinion.

Do you claim you never agreed with ican that taxes are illegal or unconstitutional?

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@parados,

You are the liar here, parados. I have already admitted that I forgot about posting that I called for his impeachment, and I apologized for that. But now you continue to use that as if that never happened. You are the one being dishonest here, Parados, and I think you know it.

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@okie,

Courts decide ALL CASES about the law. I think it is YOU that needs to study Civics okie.

Ican is NOT listed as a source for interpreting the Constitution.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So.. prove I have twisted your opinion.

Do you claim you never agreed with ican that taxes are illegal or unconstitutional?

I agree with ican often, but I don't think I ever agreed with him that all taxes were illegal. I don't think I would have, because that is not what I believe, and I don't typically post what I don't believe, unless I am intentionally pulling somebody's chain or something. You are the one making the accusation, so it is up to you to provide the quote wherein I said taxes were illegal.

It may be a surprise to you, but conservatives do not group think in lockstep with each other, like liberals seem to do. I agree with ican on some things, other things I do not.

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Did anyone listen to the day long broadcast of the interview NPR conducted with retired SC Justice Stevens?

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Were republican operatives responsable for knocking off Obamas presidential seal from the podium from which he was giveing a speech? Where were okie and icon when this happened?

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@okie,

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I agree with ican often, but I don't think I ever agreed with him that all taxes were illegal. I don't think I would have, because that is not what I believe, and I don't typically post what I don't believe, unless I am intentionally pulling somebody's chain or something. You are the one making the accusation, so it is up to you to provide the quote wherein I said taxes were illegal.

Either you believe the Constitution is the law of the land or not.
Either you believe something is illegal if it is unconstitutional or not.

If you say a tax is unconstitutional then you are saying it is illegal. Do you agree or disagree?

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@okie,

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I agree with ican often, but I don't think I ever agreed with him that all taxes were illegal.

Speaking of someone lying and misrepresenting what someone said okie.

I expect an apology from you for claiming I stated you agreed that "all taxes" were illegal. I never said such a thing and you can not find a quote where I did it. If you had any decency or honesty you would apologize.

By the way you said this..

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People burn in hell for misquoting people as well.

Looking forward to hell okie?

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