parados
 
  2  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 06:41 am
@mysteryman,
You do know the difference between a civil complaint and a criminal one, don't you?

Maybe you should use sources other than the Washington Times MM.

Quote:
Obama DOJ actually obtained judgment against individual carrying weapon at polling place

May 2009: DOJ obtained default judgment against Shabazz for carrying weapon outside polling station. On May 18, 2009, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania entered default judgment against Samir Shabazz. In his May 14 testimony before the Commission on Civil Rights, Perez stated that the Justice Department had obtained "sufficient evidence to sustain the charge" of voter intimidation against Shabazz, identified by Perez as "the defendant who had the nightstick," and that "the default judgment was sought and obtained as it related to him." Perez testified:

PEREZ: Based on the careful review of the evidence, the Department concluded that the evidence collected supported the allegations in the complaint against Minister King Samir Shabazz. The Department, therefore, obtained an injunction against defendant King Samir Shabazz, prohibiting him from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of an open polling place on any Election Day in the City of Philadelphia or from otherwise violating Section 11(b).

The Department considers this injunction to be tailored appropriately to the scope of the violation and the constitutional requirements and will fully enforce the injunction's terms.


Quote:
A Bush appointee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is calling charges that the Justice Department ignores the civil rights of whites ridiculous.

Abigail Thernstrom, Vice Chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, said allegations that the Obama Administration failed to prosecute a voter intimidation case, involving the New Black Panther Party, have no merit:

"We have no direct evidence that [the NBP activists] actually intimidated anybody, stopped them from voting," Thernstrom said on CBS' Face the Nation. In an earlier column, she called the case "small potatoes."


So, they got an injunction against the person wielding the "weapon."

Now let's see what the law allows under a civil prosecution
Quote:
(d) Civil action by Attorney General for preventive relief; injunctive and other relief

Whenever any person has engaged or there are reasonable grounds to believe that any person is about to engage in any act or practice prohibited by section 1973, 1973a, 1973b, 1973c, 1973e, 1973h, 1973i, or subsection (b) of this section, the Attorney General may institute for the United States, or in the name of the United States, an action for preventive relief, including an application for a temporary or permanent injunction, restraining order, or other order, and including an order directed to the State and State or local election officials to require them (1) to permit persons listed under subchapters I-A to I-C of this chapter to vote and (2) to count such votes.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/voting/42usc/subch_ia.php

Wait.. the Obama got an injunction as the law allows. It allows nothing more and yet you want to argue that they didn't enforce it?


So.. to recap..
The Bush DoJ reduced it to a civil prosecution.
The Obama DoJ got an injunction to prevent it in the future
The law only allows an injunction under the civil prosecution.
You want to claim they didn't enforce it?

The only real argument here MM is that it was reduced to a civil prosecution and that was done by the Bush DoJ.

So.... what didn't the Obama DoJ do in your estimation MM?
When it comes to government wasting money, the Civil Rights Division seems to be doing a good job of it. I am surprised you support them.
parados
 
  1  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 06:48 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

The Obama administration’s Justice Department — not the Bush administration’s Justice Department — made the LATEST decision THIS YEAR not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008.


Just another lie from you ican.
You continue to show us how uninformed you are. You really should watch something other than Fox.
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JTT
 
  2  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 08:42 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
but probably not of the universally despised Fox News.


Gob1 makes a joke.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 08:50 am
@parados,
You are surprised that I support civil rights?
Why?
Have I ever given you any indication to think otherwise?

And yes, I know the difference between a civil complaint and a criminal one.
JTT
 
  2  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 08:57 am
@mysteryman,
Can you say diversion, MM?
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 09:42 am
@plainoldme,
Actually, that's not true, george bush implemented no child left behind without funding it.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 09:44 am
@parados,
okie is constantly confused about what is fact and what is his personal opinion. The man is completely confused about logic, and doesn't understand why his posts are challenged so often.
parados
 
  3  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 11:03 am
@mysteryman,
Well then would you please identify the problem you have with the civil complaint that was filed and the injunction the court ruled on.

I wasn't commenting on civil rights. I was commenting on a government agency spending money investigating something that is trivial and pretty much non existent.
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ican711nm
 
  -2  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:48 pm
AGAIN THE TRUTH!
The Obama administration’s Justice Department — not the Bush administration’s Justice Department — made the LATEST decision THIS YEAR not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008.
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone imposter
Quote:
is constantly confused about what is fact and what is his personal opinion. The man is completely confused about logic, and doesn't understand why his posts are challenged so often.


Okie, I admire your persistence.
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ican711nm
 
  -3  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:53 pm
Leftist liberals seek to secure their right to steal wealth others earn.
Rightist liberals seek to secure their right to retain wealth they earn.

JTT
 
  2  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 09:41 pm
@ican711nm,
Just one size bigger print, Ican, and you would have had me convinced. Maybe an underline might have done it too. Or if it had been the 475th time instead of the 474th, I would likely be on your side.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 25 Sep, 2010 11:16 pm
@JTT,
JTT, My admiration for your never-ending patience.
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parados
 
  1  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 05:47 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

AGAIN THE TRUTH!
The Obama administration’s Justice Department — not the Bush administration’s Justice Department — made the LATEST decision THIS YEAR not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008.



No,that isn't the truth ican. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
It was the Bush DoJ that decided to not pursue criminal charges and instead dropped it to civil charges. The civil rights commission isn't investigating a decision to not pursue criminal charges. They are investigating a decision to only pursue civil charges against one of the 2 people in the video. The reason they didn't pursue civil charges against the other person is there is no evidence with which to charge them with interfering with voting rights. No one has claimed they were prevented from voting. Standing around outside a voting place is NOT illegal unless you are specifically doing something. The person with the weapon was charged in court and an injunction is in place but they are not prevented from being outside a polling place. They are only prevented from brandishing a weapon of any kind.

You live in a fantasy world ican where your truth has nothing to do with reality.
JTT
 
  2  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 08:37 am
@parados,
Quote:
The civil rights commission isn't investigating a decision to not pursue criminal charges. They are investigating a decision to only pursue civil charges against one of the 2 people in the video. The reason they didn't pursue civil charges against the other person is there is no evidence with which to charge them with interfering with voting rights.


I don't quite get these "civil" charges. Either a thing is a breach of the law or it isn't. The law should handle these things. There's way too much mixing of the judicial system with the legislative system. Congress is forever holding investigations that much too much look like criminal investigations and largely these do sweet tweet.

The law isn't for grandstanding. It's meant to administer justice and that isn't served well by a bunch of politicians trying to make political hay, nor is it done well under the glare of 'hollywood lights'.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 10:51 am
From Moveon.org

On October 2nd, exactly one month before Election Day, hundreds of thousands of people are gathering in Washington, D.C. for "One Nation," a huge march for jobs, equality, and progress. Can you join us?

At the historic Lincoln Memorial, progressives from coast to coast will join human and civil rights leaders, labor leaders, faith leaders, celebrities and more to rally for bold action to protect our economy and jobs—and to move our country forward.

With Republicans and their corporate allies determined to take back Congress in November, we'll join together to show the strength and unity of the progressive movement.

BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:12 am
@plainoldme,
I wish I could attend.

BBB
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mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 01:39 pm
@plainoldme,
What specific action do you suggest to " protect our economy and jobs—and to move our country forward"?


georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 03:46 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

From Moveon.org

..., progressives from coast to coast will join human and civil rights leaders, labor leaders, faith leaders, celebrities and more to rally for bold action to protect our economy and jobs—and to move our country forward.

With Republicans and their corporate allies determined to take back Congress in November, we'll join together to show the strength and unity of the progressive movement.


It's good thing there's no "corporate allies" associated with Moveon.org. George Soros, and the UAW & SEIU labor unions, of course, don't count.

"... progressives from coast to coast will join human and civil rights leaders, labor leaders, faith leaders, celebrities ..." sounds like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore and a few friends will be there along with a collection of labor Union gangsters.
slkshock7
 
  -1  
Sun 26 Sep, 2010 04:00 pm
@plainoldme,
Plainoldme,
This rally was ginned up right after Beck's rally but unfortunately for progressives, looks to be a major bust. They originally suggested they'd be able to bring in 500,000, but current website reduces that total to "tens of thousands". From the look of the website, I'm thinking there will be far less. Right now they've got less than 800 folks signed up. It's really amusing to look at the dozens of busses they evidently have lined up to carry thousands of folks and they have 3 or 4 people signed up...check out Springfield, MA (3 signed up out of 2000 capacity) ...or Worcester, MA (4 out of 3000 capacity) or Boston, MA (8 out of 4000). In fact looks like the largest contingents are coming from New Brunswick, NJ with a whopping 42 people coming.

Wish you luck, the liberal wing of A2K might just bring in a few more dozen committed and you may just run out of room on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
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