Obama '08?

@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

President Obama's approval/disapproval ratings have been unusually volatile in the last week or so. They are likely to bounce around a lot in the next few days following his comments last night regarding the proposed Islamic center in NYC.
Here are numbers from Rasmussen (which are pretty closely mirrored by the compilation of polls reported by RCP). Remember that Rasmussen uses a 3-day rolling poll. The numbers for today, August 14th, for example reflect polling on the 11th through the 13th. The report for tomorrow will include just one day of his post-Islamic center speech. The full 3-day cycle will get reported on Tuesday morning, August 17th.
Aug 14: Strongly Approve (26%) - Strongly Disapprove (42%) = -16.
............ Approve (46%) - Disapprove (53%) = -7.
Aug 11: Strongly Approve (24%) - Strongly Disapprove (46%) = -22.
........... Approve (43%) - Disapprove (56%) = -13.
Aug 8: Strongly Approve (31%) - Strongly Disapprove (41%) = -10.
.......... Approve (48%) - Disapprove (51%) = -3.

Here are the numbers, per Rasmussen, for the 3 days following Obama's speech on Friday night (Aug 13th):
Aug 15th: Strongly Approve (26%) - Strongly Disapprove (43%) = -17.
............... Approve (45%) - Disapprove (53%) = -8.
Aug 16th: Strongly Approve (26%) - Strongly Disapprove (45%) = -19.
............... Approve (43%) - Disapprove (56%) = -13.
Aug 17th: Strongly Approve (26%) - Strongly Disapprove (45%) = -19.
............... Approve (44%) - Disapprove (55%) = -11.

It seems to me clear that Obama did take a hit for his speech on Friday to a bunch of Islams at the White House in which he defended the right of freedom of religion. He confused the issue a bit the next day by saying that he believes in the 1st amendment but thinks the "mosque" is a bad idea for that site in NYC.
Tomorrow's poll and perhaps ones for another day or so will reflect how people respond after the Sunday talk shows.
Pundits claim that this is a big deal in the political campaign. I can't see that being the case.
As the late Lee Atwater famously said, "It's the economy, stupid."

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@realjohnboy,

So he came out and supported the mosque, but now he thinks its a bad idea, rjb?

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@okie,

No. He did not.
Did you read or listen to his Friday night speech?
Did you hear what he said on Saturday?

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@realjohnboy,

He did not what? If I have it right, he first supported it, but now may be backtracking. Is this a little John Kerryish, "I voted for it before I voted against it." ?

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@okie,

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Advocate, I could take all of the points point and by point and tell you why they are all wrong, but it would be a waste of time pointing out the obvious to folks like you. In fact, virtually none of the problems he has inherited have been improved by Obama's presidency, and we now have more problems where none existed before.

No, you couldn't, Okie. You're simply nowhere near qualified, nor are you anywhere near fair enough to do this.

You are one of the guys that stuck in there to the bitter end defending the most incompetent guy, and his equally incompetent hacks, that the world has ever seen.

Bush should not have, would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in any other country in the world, yet he -- and must I remind you, PALIN was right there to accept the mantle -- was elected to two, that's two ******* terms.

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@okie,

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He did not what? If I have it right, he first supported it, but now may be backtracking. Is this a little John Kerryish, "I voted for it before I voted against it." ?

See what I mean. Bush was the greatest flip flopper of all times but your brain is permanently stuck repeating Repuglican memes.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

No. He did not.
Did you read or listen to his Friday night speech?
Did you hear what he said on Saturday?

I have only read some news reports, rjb. Essentially, I get the impression that he supported the mosque building there as a religious freedom issue under the constitution, which I think is nonsensical on its face. Now he is back peddling on that because he sees it for what it is, a very dumb political position for him to take.

This is only a suspicion on my part, because I admit I do not have much respect for Obama, but I actually think he would like to see the mosque built there because he harbors some sympathies toward radical Islam. I hope I am wrong, but as I said, I do not have much trust in the man caring about America, because I think he has carried around much resentments toward his own country for a very long time. Is there evidence of this, yes I think there is. You do not have friends from the Weathermen that tried to overthrow the country and folks like Wright raging about the evils of America if you do not have some of the same beliefs.

I know I am drumming on the same theme, but maybe it will get through to a few folks before his term is over, we may have a very radical guy as president, very radical at heart. I cannot read the man's mind, but something is wrong when he first starts making apologies for the right of building a mosque on Ground Zero because of religious freedom. It tells me what is more important in his mind, and it is not the interests and feelings of America's citizens, the people he is supposed to represent. He obviously does not think like most of us, and I think that includes both Democrats and Republicans, most of us regardless of our party care about this country.

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@okie,

An example, would Truman have begun to defend the desire of the Japanese to build a memorial immediately following the war smack dab in the center of Pearl Harbor, on the basis of some constitutional right to do so? No, I think obviously not.

So Obama's initial comments were I think revealing, and especially given it was during an Iftar dinner to celebrate the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. I think it is very revealing about what Obama's mindset is when it becomes revealed without his careful guard to try to not reveal it.

What if Truman had supported a Japanese memorial during a dinner to honor the Japanese Emporers for example? Just how happy should Americans have been if that had happened? And of course it never happened because Truman was not that stupid, that unpatriotic, or that unfeeling toward his own country.

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@okie,

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because I think he has carried around much resentments toward his own country for a very long time. Is there evidence of this, yes I think there is. You do not have friends from the Weathermen that tried to overthrow the country and folks like Wright raging about the evils of America if you do not have some of the same beliefs.

That only points him up as an honest man, Okie. That's not something you are, but you could aspire to such a noble idea if you could just get shed of your prejudices, if you'd look at the propaganda with a level eye.

What did Jeremiah Wright say that you believe to be false?

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@JTT,

Actually, I think you are dead wrong on Bush being a flip flopper. Bush goes down in my book as a man with commitment to his beliefs and course of action, despite the opposition and backstabbing of those that supported him at the start. I am talking primarily of the Iraq War. If you go back in history, you will find another man similarly committed in the face of stiff opposition, that man being Abraham Lincoln. Now, you even have guys like Biden claiming Iraq is one of Obama's greatest achievements. That is of course hogwash, as they say in Oklahoma. It is the man George Bush that deserves all of the credit for its success.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

What did Jeremiah Wright say that you believe to be false?

Oh no, you can't be serious? You don't actually think the man was or is credible do you? I don't really wish to post videos of his rants here, because if you haven't figured the man out by now, you never will.

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@okie,

Here, okie, are 50 Bush flip-flops. Read and learn: http://www.50bushflipflops.com/Lecture_Outline/lesson1.html

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@okie,

We're only asking you to prove your point about Rev Wright; who you've been lambasting for several years now. Surely, you can provide some evidence for your claims.

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@okie,

Videos, yeah that would be really instructive, Okie.

So, again, what did Rev Wright say that you believe to be false?

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@okie,

I want to ask you a serious question.
If you really think that there should not be a mosque built 2 blocks from ground zero, because of what ground zero is, then why do you say nothing about the porn shops, the strip clubs, and the bars all within 2 blocks of ground zero?

I think you are wrong for opposing the mosque.
After all, its not going to be built at the site, but 2 blocks away.
And you do know that there is already a mosque near ground zero, one that has been there for many years.
Why do you not oppose that one?

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@okie,

Now okie claims to know more than Frank Rich. Where is your church, okie, the one where you worship yourself?

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@JTT,

I'd prefer a video of Wright speaking to okie telling us what Wright said. okie is not a reliable narrator.

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@okie,

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P.S. I was visiting with an 85 year old top notch farmer, one of the most respected in the community, honest and hard working throughout his life, a military vet and all the rest, and he said Obama has to be the worst president in all of the country's history, no contest. I had to agree.

Worst based on what? Your paranoid fantasies about what the man does or doesn't believe?

C'mon, hyperbole doesn't help your argument any.

Cycloptichorn

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@mysteryman,

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If you really think that there should not be a mosque built 2 blocks from ground zero, because of what ground zero is, then why do you say nothing about the porn shops, the strip clubs, and the bars all within 2 blocks of ground zero?

I've been waiting for an opening to talk about the sort of tawdriness Americans bring to their cities and the cities they frequent.

There are many posters here who hate Fidel Castro. Prior to Castro's ouster of Baptista, Cuba was a playground for American gangster, complete with guns, molls, prostitutes, gambling and drugs.

So, which is worse, a country that is poor but struggles with making its own place in the world and providing for its people or a country that allows American criminals to play on its streets?

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Did anyone ever find out exactly what Obama's father did in WW2?

I remember Obama saying that his dad served in WW2, but since his father was about 10 years old when the war ended I dont see how thats possible.

Did he "misspeak" or was he lying?

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