Obama '08?

O my, o my, more fox propaganda and misinformation. The evangelistic rights motivation in Kenya and other right wing groups is fear, fear because the referendum removes the elitist bigoted power in Kenya from a few to a more democratic nation. I would think 23million is approx a weeks cost in Afghanistan. This independent donation to the Kenyans is for the expenses of running a referendum. A referendum the American right dont want. It removes the bigoted faith driven laws and allows Kenyans a new future with an independent judiciary..You are on a mission to introduce any crap you find, even if its pure fiction to undermine the Obama admin.. This is for democratic reform, do you oppose that idea ? come on tell me? do you? The claim is unfounded and spurious your a tool of deceit and friend of oppression.

This is nonsensical. The fact that we are in a recession, and cannot fully fund all our obligations, doesn't make it wrong when we fund other obligations. Certainly you are talking about far less money overall.

Are you just casting about for something to be critical of? Or is there some underlying thread here?

Cycloptichorn

This is a false comparison. The US economy cannot be accurately compared to a fixed commodity; rises in the 'price' of the commodity are not equivalent to rises in tax levels, or the effects that this will have.

Your insistence on over-simplifying everything leads to bad results, Okie. I would point out that historically, the so-called 'Laffer Curve' has not matched any data set; that is to say, real-world conditions don't match the theory - at all.

Cycloptichorn

I did not say that..You are starting to misquote me now. It will have an effect but more so for those who may be protected by prevention..The South Africans are not without fault by not changing their view point on aids. More die of malaria in a month than die of aids in a year, a disease Obama has pointed his attention to. What sickens me about your pretended worry about aids in Africa, is the fact you dont really give a ****. Your only need is to decry Obama, not the cause of so much death in Africa. If you chased the bigoted dogmatic RC church and convinced them to change their dogma on contraception, countless thousands could be saved every year. Right wing politics and right wing faith driven dogma is the major cause of poverty and death in Africa..not Obama's change of attention.

Yes xris--"democratic reform" is a wonderful phrase. What does it actually mean in this case and will whatever it does mean be a good thing for Kenya?

And I'm not saying it won't. How can I when I don't know what it is.

Hey Spendius, could you go to,

http://able2know.org/topic/158995-4#post-4293802

Thanks ever so much.

Just look at Kenya and the poverty its undemocratic government inflict..You tell me whats wrong with an independent judiciary and more power to the democratic vote? What lies behind this attack on a proposed referendum is the removal of faith driven dogma from the constitution. Contraception, the ability to choose on abortion.A choice you enjoy but you disapprove of in Africa..be off with you. I know the christian charities and their bigoted approach to aid in Africa..no aid if you recommend birth control through contraception...I know they want to enforce their doctrine and evangelical ****. thats why they are spreading crap about this referendum and running a campaign of misinformation..O my..o my..

You excel at that, MM 'ignoring some things', the difficult but important things.

xris-I disapprove of artificial birth control and abortion.

And don't ask me questions as a trick to avoid answering mine.

Thats a cheap shot!!!

You cut out the part where I said that YOU CLAIMED that both I and the article ignored some things.

If you really want to play that game, you need to go somewhere else, because I refuse to play.

No, that's an accurate shot, MM, even though it was from the hip. Pretty good with a pistol eh? OmSig would be proud.

I deleted the first portion because that wasn't germane to my point. You know my point and why, it must be asked are you pretending you don't?

What question did you pose..? you indicated your ignorance and your disapproval of reforms in Kenya, obviously for the reasons I gave but I cant recall you asking a question.

Dude, good policy.

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No, that's chickenshit policy, Art. That's a policy that allows people to write and say ignorant things and never be held to account for them. That's not the policies you followed all thru university.

What MM is "refusing to play" at is his insistence on being shown the proof and once there, he disappeared.

I asked you the other day whether you were active in politics.

I asked you earlier what democratic reform meant.

I'll ask you now what an independent judiciary is.

I did not indicate my disapproval of reforms in Kenya. My ignorance of the country is probably similar to that of most people. I'm surprised anybody from outside the country would think they were not ignorant of it. There are few things as stupid as talking about a country of 30 million people using platitudes. One of them is talking about such a country with a totally different cultural background than we know.

Perhaps you are using it to show off your virtues.

It has two major tribes I believe. But I'm not sure. One was called the Kikuyu or something. Jomo Kenyatta was of that tribe. I assume arap Moi was also.

It has a number of difficult neighbours as well.

What was that about JT? My writing cannot be compared to that of the others mentioned.

You're not an authority here JTT. You don't hold anyone accountable. Do not flatter yourself. Your outrage is noted, but you lack the ability to focus it where it belongs.

Stop side swiping threads.

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That is a chicken **** policy.

No, I'm not, Art, but that holds true for you too.

I do hold people accountable and I'm surprised you've missed it. In this thread, Okie raised the issue, highly pertinent, that he believes in a conservative government that respects the rule of law.

Ican specifically asked for proof of what I was saying.

Cy, well Cy is a major hypocrite at times, chastising Okie and Ican for avoiding the facts, of not thinking when the issue becomes too mentally challenging.



You are so inured to the propaganda, so completely captivated by all the bullshit that even you, you, a person who says that these issues should be brought into the open have never stated, despite the absolutely overwhelming abundance of facts, that the US has engaged in terrorist actions.

You gave some lame response once that I don't see the big picture. That's another piece of propagandist crap that you hear from politicians and right wingers.

War crimes and terrorist actions, which are crimes too, are not forgiven by some misguided notion that the US is some sort of benevolent policeman who occasionally goes a little too far.

Of people who lack the focus, I think you really know where that bit of tangential drivel should be placed. Point me to your threads, or anyone else's threads that "focus it where it belongs".

The issue is not about the qualitative aspects of someone's thoughts in their writing, Spendi. It's about the teaching of writing form. Read a few posts; bright guy that you are, you'll cotton on.

I have no interest in "writing form". I read print. I have trouble often enough reading my own notes.

On our official forms there a box for signatures and underneath one where you are required to print your name.

The handwriting Rebecca quoted looked egotistical to me. The content is what matters and not how pretty it is.