Obama '08?

@Finn dAbuzz,

Whooppeee!

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Cap & Trade, if passed could cripple the economy.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Nah, it won't. This is just breathless alarmism from the party who has cried wolf on this issue so many times, it has no effect any longer. Every single regulation proposed by the Dems is guaranteed by the Republicans to 'cripple the economy.'

Perhaps you would care to provide some of your much valued proof and analysis for this remarkable statement.

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@H2O MAN,

So, is it important for a president to be a bad mother, stupid, and a quitter in addition to dressing like a drag queen?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Those hypocrites hate government involvement and what they call big government.

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@okie,

Yep, Ronald Raygun expanded government. You're right that one party believes in big government!

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@okie,

For once you are right but I bet you have no idea why I say that. No Child Left Behind brought education down and it will take years to rebuild the damage.

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@georgeob1,

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Perhaps you would care to provide some of your much valued proof and analysis for this remarkable statement.

The counter-argument is just as good - can you point to a Democratic proposal relating to either tax raises or stricter regulations which wasn't derided by the Republicans as 'economy-crippling?'

They certainly said it about the health care plan, about the recent financial reforms, about the Stim bill, about the Democratic attempts to tighten air quality, CAFE standards, Medicare (that was Reagan back in the day, haha), I could go on; but I think we both know that I'm right.

Cycloptichorn

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. The acceptance came rather late in the recovery, several weeks after the offers were made and after an earlier rejection & associated adverse press reports. Moreover, the Interior Department blessed the ill advised (in my opinion) widespread use by BP of surfactants to break up agglomerations of petroleum to speed their chemical breakdown by natural action. This would have been the appropriate response for a smaller petroleum release, but for the major release we are experiencing it has made the large scale skimming of surface petroleum less effective. In short they, in a somewhat natural reaction, made an implicit bet that the release would be much smaller than it has turned out and did so in circumstances that suggested it would have been far wiser to bet on a large release to limit the worst case.

Merely finding a reference on the web does not constitute understanding.

As an aside, it seems the dumbest thing the gov't did was trust BP. In the first two weeks it really wasn't clear how much was leaking out, and instead of jumping to get our own ROV's down there, we relied initially on BP's expertise. Big mistake.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/oil-leakage-chart.jpg

Perhaps the initial refusals of aid were based on erroneous ideas that we didn't need it... faulty data in, faulty results out.

Cycloptichorn

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For what it is worth, here is a history of some Rasmussen polling on the health care reform legislation since it passed towards the end of March. The 1st % is those who favor repeal vs the 2nd, those who oppose repeal:
3/24 - 55% to 42%
4/11 - 58% to 38%
5/23 - 63% to 32%
6/12 - 58% to 36%

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Yep, Ronald Raygun expanded government. You're right that one party believes in big government!

Ronald Reagan proposed eliminating a few bureaucracies, but unfortunately the Democrats would not allow him to do it, and the mainstream press demonized any efforts he had to reduce government. I remember that fairly well. Unfortunately even though he had good intentions, I will admit the growth of government did occur. It has been primarily the fault of Democrats however that the overall trend of government growth has continued.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

For once you are right but I bet you have no idea why I say that. No Child Left Behind brought education down and it will take years to rebuild the damage.

I am consistent. I oppose bigger government and more federal power over education, whether it be Democrats or Republicans. I do support higher standards for education, but I believe it is best done by local people, such as parents and local tax payers demanding school boards maintain quality of teaching and classroom learning.

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@georgeob1,

Bush's structural reform of social security was to privatize one-third of it. This was a terrible idea -- e.g., it was a disaster in the UK. Even the essentially captive Reps in congress, or at least a good number of them, went against Bush on this.

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@Advocate,

Well, Social Security is going to become a huge disaster as time goes by, unless something is done to reform the way it works, to fix it. At least Bush proposed and idea to fix it, but the Democratic Party of No nixed it.

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@georgeob1,

The deficit is just one of those bees that the Repubs put into people's bonnets. Look what the bush admin did in re: deficits.

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@okie,

Ah, another right winger shirking personal responsibility.

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@okie,

You know, of course, that support for federal administration of education is a mixed bag, don't you? You do know that more people on the right support it than people on the left, don't you?

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@Advocate,

Yes,privatizing SS is a terrible idea. Most would invest in junk and the Wall Street criminals would produce new ways to part fools and their money.

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@okie,

So, a dumb idea is superior to no idea? Why??!!!

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@plainoldme,

Any evidence of that assertion? I doubt it.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

So, a dumb idea is superior to no idea? Why??!!!

What is dumber than continuing Social Security as it is, on the way to total bankruptcy of the system? Actually, my solutions to the problem would be somewhat different than Bush's; My first reform would require all government employees and politicians to participate in the Social Security system. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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