hawkeye10
 
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Sat 5 Jun, 2010 11:49 am
@failures art,
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They advocate economic policies designed primarily to benefit the rich and nobody else
Red - Very Republican
both parties had an nearly equal hand in creating the Wallstreet casinos, promoting the export of our jobs, and in cutting government oversight of the corporate class (read failing to regulate) which has cause multiple destructive bubbles.

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They work to keep folks from enjoying equal rights.
the dems want and expect equal results, which is a fantasy. The dems in fact continually diminish equal rights in their quest to create equal results. The right is much more correct than the left on this issue.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 5 Jun, 2010 12:59 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
What the chattering crowd on the Left don't realize is that Obama is a hardcore Leftist in the vein of Ho Chi Minh or Leon Trotsky. This is not to suggest that he is in their league, but to point out he is not a George McGovern or Gene McCarthy either. If he thinks it's necessary to kick some ass, he'll do it and not waste time with handwringing.

The problem is that in his worldview, there are people whose asses deserve kicking, but which he chooses to give a pass. It's not because he's soft.

Interesting assessment of Obama, Finn. This reminds me of what various folks have said about Obama. For example, some supporters admire Obama for being calm, cool, and collected. But Rush Limbaugh is not the only one that has assessed this supposed positive trait of appearing to be cool and collected as instead being a very negative trait, that of being cold, calculating, and without feeling for the opposition. It strikes me, Finn, that the opposition can include the political opposition in this country, but it also includes al Qaeda figures that by successfully eliminating he can elevate his perceived success as president. So if I am interpreting what you wrote correctly, Finn, it may not be a matter of Obama wishing to defeat al Qaeda because they are really bad apples and are the enemies of the United States, but rather because defeating them will elevate his own personal ratings.

To be compared to Ho Chi Minh or Leon Trotsky is not a particularly flattering comparison. It is no secret here on this forum that I (okie) also think Obama at his core is a sort of dictator wannabe.


I suppose his intent in sending drones to hunt down and exterminate high value terrorist targets could strictly related to the advancement of his political standing, but I don't think so. As far as the end result, though, it doesn't really matter. Our enemies are being eliminated.

I am surprised, however, that the use of the drones hasn't received a lot more scrutiny and criticism. I've read more than once that the practice is used as a recruiting incentive by terrorists and justification for plots of actual acts of violence. I'm not surprised of course, but the argument that Iraq provided a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda and radicalized otherwise moderate Muslims was ubiquitous often during the Bush years. I just wonder why it seems to have lost its steam now.

I'm particularly surprised that there isn't a hell of a lot more protesting, domestically and internationally, concerning the collateral deaths of apparent innocents that these attacks cause.

The attack that killed Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, also killed his wife, three of his daughters, a granddaughter, and "other men, women and children>"

In this report on the attack, the NY Times didn't even comment on the other victims. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/asia/01qaeda.html

While it certainly doesn't appear that someone who is so enamored of the concept of empathy has any for the American citizens who oppose him politically, I don't at all think he would be using Predators to attack Tea Party gatherings if only he could get away with it.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that he is a hardnosed politician from the hardnosed Chicago School, but I don't fault him for being calculating as respects the definition of the word as "shrewd consideration of self-interest." That's what effective politicians are. I would feel better about it, however, if his self-interests were more aligned with the interests of the American people.
I would also feel better if he were more "calculating" as respect the definition of the word as "prudent analysis."

I certainly didn't intend for the comparison to Ho and Trotsky to be flattering, but I also didn't intend to paint him as an ideologue without any moral restraint.

He has a great capacity for justifying means that will provide a desired end, and in believing that he knows what is best for us, no matter what we think or say. This creates the potential for serious abuse of power, but I don't think he's taken it that far...yet.

Increasing the use of drone attacks on our enemies in Pakistan and Afghanistan, to me, was the correct decision to make and I'm glad he made it, but we know that many of the people who not only support and defend him, but who also idolize him, are not of the mind to support these attacks or ignore their collateral destruction. Why is it, however, that we don't have protestors marching up and down in front of the White House?

For the same reason feminists chose to ignore the instances of Bill Clinton's sexual harassment and predation.

Not all on the Left are giving Obama a free pass though.

http://whitehouseprotest.org/images/stories/bush_obama_imperialism.preview.jpg
ican711nm
 
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Sat 5 Jun, 2010 06:37 pm
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obama democrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, wrote:
More Bailout Cash for Fannie and Freddie?

The American people remain in the dark regarding the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This untenable secrecy continues despite mounting costs associated with the Fannie/Freddie bailout.

Check out Bloomberg:
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage companies operating under U.S. conservatorship, will require additional government aid amid losses stemming from the 2008 credit crisis, the nation’s top housing regulator said in its annual report to Congress.

“While critical to supporting the ongoing functioning of the nation’s housing finance system, the enterprises would be unable to serve the mortgage market in the absence of the ongoing financial support,” said Edward DeMarco, acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency…

For those of you concerned about pouring good money after bad as we increase our nation’s debt, the new “government aid” requested by Fannie Mae is about $19 billion!

While the Obama Federal Housing Finance Agency pushes for additional (and unlimited) bailout funds, the agency continues to stonewall Judicial Watch’s repeated requests for documents, and Obama administration lawyers assert the shocking and ridiculous claim in court that Fannie and Freddie are not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

As regular readers of the Weekly Update know, Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit against the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) to try to get its hands on documents related to political contributions made by Fannie and Freddie to their congressional co-conspirators. This effort is more important now than ever given that the very same politicians who turned a blind eye to rampant corruption and incompetence at Fannie and Freddie are now in charge of “reforming” the institutions.

According to The Associated Press:
“U.S. lawmakers are starting to wrestle with how to replace Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants that nearly collapsed at the start of the financial meltdown.

In September 2008, the government seized control of Fannie and Freddie " massive companies that purchase home loans, package them into investments and guarantee them against default. Since then, the government has pumped a combined $126 billion into the companies to keep them afloat.

House lawmakers…took tentative steps toward figuring out what to do next, holding their first hearing about how to restructure the mortgage system in the wake of the financial crisis…Since the government took over Fannie and Freddie, Obama officials have given few details on their long-term thinking. In the meantime, officials plan to seek public comment on a list of questions…”

The Associated Press goes on to note that “[Massachusetts Rep. Barney] Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said there is consensus about replacing Fannie and Freddie, but little agreement on what should take their place. ‘You can't really tear down the old jail until you've built a new one,’ said Frank.” Of course, Frank and Obama are happy with the current state of affairs. Fannie and Freddie are their vehicles for government control of the American housing market.

Keep in mind this is the same Barney Frank who blocked attempts by the Bush administration to reform Fannie and Freddie in 2003 " and the same Barney Frank who raked in $42,350 from Fannie and Freddie in campaign contributions between 1989 and 2008.

Of course, that amount is far less than that raised by President Obama, who hauled in $126,349 from 1989-2008, good for second on the list of top congressional recipients of Fannie and Freddie campaign contributions.

So here’s where we stand on all of this: The American people are supposed to fork over another $19 billion while trusting the “reform” of the mortgage lending industry to President Obama and Barney Frank. The first step the Obama administration needs to take to reform these institutions is to release all documents regarding the corruption that contributed to the collapse of Fannie and Freddie. Let’s turn off the money spigot, open the books, and get accountability.

We shall lawfully remove the Odem from our federal government.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 11:13 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

... and then we can vote Obama out of the presidency in 2012.


In this we certainly agree.
dyslexia
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 11:20 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
absolutely finn, lets elect a total retard like sara palin to replace the socialist obama.
ican711nm
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 11:40 am
@dyslexia,
It is Obama who is closer to being a total retard than is Sarah Palin. Sarah is not stupid enough to believe in and apply Saul Alinsky's principles.

Obama is stupid enough to believe in and apply Saul Alinsky's principles.

Saul Alinsky, was the mentor of those who mentored Barack Obama when he was a community organizer in Chicago. In his books, Reveille for Radicals, and Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky, wrote:

Radicals should be "political relativists." and should take an agnostic view of means and ends;
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;
The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth"truth to him is relative and changing;
Radicals are not virtuous by not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;
Life is a corrupting process;
He who fears corruption fears life;
The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;
The radical is building his own kingdom;
The radical’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots;
The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause;
The real cause is accumulation of power to make the revolution;
The standard of the revolution is a democracy which upends all social hierarchies, including those based on merit.

dyslexia
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 11:43 am
@ican711nm,
drill baby drill, and then lie about it and say you never said it .like a bridge to nowhere.
okie
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 12:25 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

It is Obama who is closer to being a total retard than is Sarah Palin. Sarah is not stupid enough to believe in and apply Saul Alinsky's principles.

Obama is stupid enough to believe in and apply Saul Alinsky's principles.

I don't think "stupid" is the appropriate term, unless one would consider folks like Chariman Mao, Castro, Hugo Chavez, or Stalin stupid. I think they are stupid in the sense that they actually thought their vision of Marxism would work, but they are not stupid in the sense of being sly and clever in their political methods of gaining power to try their utopian visions. Same with Obama, he is stupid enough to believe in Saul Alinsky's philosophy, but he is also very clever in a cold and calculating way. In contrast, Sarah Palin is infinitely smarter and more honorable to believe in freedom, liberty, and capitalism.
ican711nm
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 01:41 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Same with Obama, he is stupid enough to believe in Saul Alinsky's philosophy, but he is also very clever in a cold and calculating way. In contrast, Sarah Palin is infinitely smarter and more honorable to believe in freedom, liberty, and capitalism.

I agree!

All of the Odem who believe in Saul Alinsky's philosophy are equally stupid with Obama. But yes, they are very clever in their applications of Saul Alinsky's philosophy. What we do know for certain is that unstopped application of Saul Alinsky's philosophy will reduce the human race, including the Odem, to mindless slaves of those who end up with the most superior ordnance.

In other words, we are at war with the Odem and enough of us have not yet accepted that fact to stop the Odem one way or another dead in their tracks.
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ican711nm
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 01:51 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:
drill baby drill, and then lie about it and say you never said it .like a bridge to nowhere.

I'll say it again, and have never and will never claim I did not say it!

Drill baby, drill!

... especially in ANWR's desolate less than 9.1 thousand acres of the total ANWR 91 million acres ...

How will that "change go for ya?
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 03:52 pm
@ican711nm,
so we can conclude you as well as palin feel that lying is the way to go?
ican711nm
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 04:02 pm
@dyslexia,
dislexia wrote:
so we can conclude you as well as palin feel that lying is the way to go?

No!

So we can conclude from this post of yours, that you as well as Obama and the rest of the Odem feel that lying is the way to go.
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 04:17 pm
@ican711nm,
I really have no idea how your mind works but you must be aware that Palin has, to put it simply, lied about her position on offshore oil drilling. It's a direct and not by any means vague lie. but apparently you have the mental ability to ignore it as if it didn't happen. how does that work ican?
ican711nm
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 04:54 pm
@dyslexia,
Dyslexia, post the web site and the quote of the statement there you claim Sarah Palin made.
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 04:58 pm
@ican711nm,
lol
ican711nm
 
  0  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 05:07 pm
@dyslexia,
Quote:

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/23/Palin_Im_big_supporter_of_offshore_drilling_v/?section=Hot+Topics&template=worldnews%2Findex.txt

Syracuse2010-05-23

(AP) - WASHINGTON - Sarah Palin says she remains a "big supporter of offshore drilling" despite the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. But Palin also tells "Fox News Sunday" that oil companies need to be held accountable. The former Alaska governor suggests that drilling on land in places like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is safer than trying to extract oil from beneath the ocean floor.
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plainoldme
 
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Sun 6 Jun, 2010 05:29 pm
Why does sarah palin hate the natural world?
Rockhead
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jun, 2010 05:30 pm
@plainoldme,
she doesn't hate it, she just doesn't give a damn about it.
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