@okie,
okie wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:What the chattering crowd on the Left don't realize is that Obama is a hardcore Leftist in the vein of Ho Chi Minh or Leon Trotsky. This is not to suggest that he is in their league, but to point out he is not a George McGovern or Gene McCarthy either. If he thinks it's necessary to kick some ass, he'll do it and not waste time with handwringing.
The problem is that in his worldview, there are people whose asses deserve kicking, but which he chooses to give a pass. It's not because he's soft.
Interesting assessment of Obama, Finn. This reminds me of what various folks have said about Obama. For example, some supporters admire Obama for being calm, cool, and collected. But Rush Limbaugh is not the only one that has assessed this supposed positive trait of appearing to be cool and collected as instead being a very negative trait, that of being cold, calculating, and without feeling for the opposition. It strikes me, Finn, that the opposition can include the political opposition in this country, but it also includes al Qaeda figures that by successfully eliminating he can elevate his perceived success as president. So if I am interpreting what you wrote correctly, Finn, it may not be a matter of Obama wishing to defeat al Qaeda because they are really bad apples and are the enemies of the United States, but rather because defeating them will elevate his own personal ratings.
To be compared to Ho Chi Minh or Leon Trotsky is not a particularly flattering comparison. It is no secret here on this forum that I (okie) also think Obama at his core is a sort of dictator wannabe.
I suppose his intent in sending drones to hunt down and exterminate high value terrorist targets could strictly related to the advancement of his political standing, but I don't think so. As far as the end result, though, it doesn't really matter. Our enemies are being eliminated.
I am surprised, however, that the use of the drones hasn't received a lot more scrutiny and criticism. I've read more than once that the practice is used as a recruiting incentive by terrorists and justification for plots of actual acts of violence. I'm not surprised of course, but the argument that Iraq provided a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda and radicalized otherwise moderate Muslims was ubiquitous often during the Bush years. I just wonder why it seems to have lost its steam now.
I'm particularly surprised that there isn't a hell of a lot more protesting, domestically and internationally, concerning the collateral deaths of apparent innocents that these attacks cause.
The attack that killed Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, also killed his wife, three of his daughters, a granddaughter, and "other men, women and children>"
In this report on the attack, the NY Times didn't even comment on the other victims.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/asia/01qaeda.html
While it certainly doesn't appear that someone who is so enamored of the concept of empathy has any for the American citizens who oppose him politically, I don't at all think he would be using Predators to attack Tea Party gatherings
if only he could get away with it.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that he is a hardnosed politician from the hardnosed Chicago School, but I don't fault him for being calculating as respects the definition of the word as "shrewd consideration of self-interest." That's what effective politicians are. I would feel better about it, however, if his self-interests were more aligned with the interests of the American people.
I would also feel better if he were more "calculating" as respect the definition of the word as "prudent analysis."
I certainly didn't intend for the comparison to Ho and Trotsky to be flattering, but I also didn't intend to paint him as an ideologue without any moral restraint.
He has a great capacity for justifying means that will provide a desired end, and in believing that he knows what is best for us, no matter what we think or say. This creates the potential for serious abuse of power, but I don't think he's taken it that far...yet.
Increasing the use of drone attacks on our enemies in Pakistan and Afghanistan, to me, was the correct decision to make and I'm glad he made it, but we know that many of the people who not only support and defend him, but who also idolize him, are not of the mind to support these attacks or ignore their collateral destruction. Why is it, however, that we don't have protestors marching up and down in front of the White House?
For the same reason feminists chose to ignore the instances of Bill Clinton's sexual harassment and predation.
Not all on the Left are giving Obama a free pass though.