Rockhead
 
  2  
Wed 2 Jun, 2010 10:16 pm
@okie,
we're not debating, okie.

you are playing your own label game. by yourself.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 04:56 am
http://boortz.com/images/2010/06/jeep_o.jpg
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okie
 
  -1  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:26 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

we're not debating, okie.

you are playing your own label game. by yourself.

Then why are you even here on A2K? If you can't even muster enough smarts or courage or honesty to tell us what you believe and why, then good riddance. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:29 am
@okie,
I believe you are a silly old stodgy dude with nothing better to do than argue on an anonymous forum with anyone that takes your bait.

how's that?

i'm to the left of you.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:29 am
@okie,
Quote:

I don't think it is the core, but I have observed that liberals have a very tough time explaining their core values or principles and what drives their philosophy.


I don't have any trouble with that. You conveniently ignore those of us who don't fit into your mold, Okie.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  0  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:46 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclops, I believe I have said this before, but I give you credit as being a bit unusual as a liberal, you do attempt to be honest about your beliefs and explain them to me when asked. That is appreciated. You have in fact gone so far as admitted that you agree with aspects of capitalism and communism or Marxism, and believe we should use those positive aspects in our political and economic policies. At least, that is how I have understood your opinions as posted, feel free to correct me if you wish to amend it slightly. And by the way, you should know that I have not at all ignored you, cyclops.

In regard to folks like Rockhead, I have a very tough time respecting anyone on an opinion forum that cannot muster enough honesty to at least attempt to explain what principles guide their political views or opinions. That is just very basic and fundamental, and if they cannot or will not do that, then they are better off keeping their snide remarks off this forum. I think I would have the same attitude toward conservatives, but I do not think I have yet observed any conservative back away from explaining their fundamental beliefs when asked here. A couple of thoughts about that, first of all I think conservatives better understand what and why they believe what they believe, and secondly they are not one bit ashamed of their beliefs. Liberals will of course not agree, but since their beliefs are more often emotionally based, they do not understand well the principles that guide their beliefs, and so when asked, they cannot come up with clear answers.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:49 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cyclops, I believe I have said this before, but I give you credit as being a bit unusual as a liberal, you do attempt to be honest about your beliefs and explain them to me when asked. That is appreciated. You have in fact gone so far as admitted that you agree with aspects of capitalism and communism or Marxism, and believe we should use those positive aspects in our political and economic policies. At least, that is how I have understood your opinions as posted, feel free to correct me if you wish to amend it slightly.


Quite accurate. I believe we should take whatever ideas work, and make them into our unified whole - it's the American way to adapt and adopt good ideas from other societies, hell it's basically how our culture got formed.

Quote:
In regard to folks like Rockhead, I have a very tough time respecting anyone on an opinion forum that cannot muster enough honesty to at least attempt to explain what principles guide their political views or opinions. That is just very basic and fundamental, and if they cannot or will not do that, then they are better off keeping their snide remarks off this forum. I think I would have the same attitude toward conservatives, but I do not think I have yet observed any conservative back away from explaining their fundamental beliefs when asked here. A couple of thoughts about that, first of all I think conservatives better understand what and why they believe what they believe, and secondly they are not one bit ashamed of their beliefs. Liberals will of course not agree, but since their beliefs are more often emotionally based, they do not understand well the principles that guide their beliefs, and so when asked, they cannot come up with clear answers.


I believe that Rockhead and others think that trying to have these discussions with you is just a way for you to stick them in a little box with a label on it, rather then any real attempt at understanding other people's point of view. I don't happen to believe that's true, but the level of acrimony on your part that sometimes comes up in these discussions kind of has a chilling effect.

Cycloptichorn
Rockhead
 
  2  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:51 am
@okie,
you keep thinking I don't know what guides me okie...

it's about par for your course.
okie
 
  0  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 09:58 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I believe that Rockhead and others think that trying to have these discussions with you is just a way for you to stick them in a little box with a label on it, rather then any real attempt at understanding other people's point of view. I don't happen to believe that's true, but the level of acrimony on your part that sometimes comes up in these discussions kind of has a chilling effect.

Cycloptichorn

Everybody here puts others in boxes with labels, hey what is so wrong with that, after all we all have our opinions? And your post is funny if not sad, cyclops, because contrary to your claim, I was very seriously trying to understand Rockhead's views by asking him questions and inviting him to explain his points of view. Instead, I was the one that received the level of acrimony. I say again, if you are participating on an opinion forum and will not provide the reasoning for your opinions, but instead accuse somebody of ridiculous stuff for simply asking you the questions, I think you have no business on the opinion forum. So, if Rockhead can't take the heat in the kitchen, he did rightly by leaving.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:03 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

you keep thinking I don't know what guides me okie...

it's about par for your course.

Until you tell us, I can only conclude you don't, Rockhead, or perhaps you can't explain it, or are not proud of what guides you. It seems to me that if you know, and if you think your guiding principles are something to be honored and to be proud of, you would be anxious to explain them.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:04 am
@okie,
perhaps.

or mebbe there is a better explanation.

simple ones usually fall short.

you keep labeling and libeling any way you please...
Rockhead
 
  3  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:12 am
waterboy will be here shortly, the zeroes have started again...
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:14 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

waterboy will be here shortly, the zeroes have started again...


I was busy finding a rare picture of you Dickhead ... I mean Rockhead.

http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Ugliest%20Dog%20Dies_doomsday_604x341.jpg
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:19 am
@Rockhead,
Then provide a very detailed explanation instead of a simple one, Rockhead. And when you speak of labels and libels, labels do have meanings for very real reasons. For example, I am a conservative, and proudly so. Does that mean I line up exactly with every other conservative, no, obviously not, but I do not reject the label at all. For some reason, many liberals do not like the label of Liberal, but the term has very real and accurate meanings in terms of what most liberals support and advocate politically. Does that mean every liberal agrees exactly with every other liberal, obviously not, but the term does roughly describe a political faction or viewpoint.

When you mention the word "libel," I have no idea what you are talking about, it does not apply to this discussion at all. If you are referring to comments made in regard to what you may believe, in which you might think are inaccurate, that is why so many questions have been directed at you in an effort to get you to clear up the questions of what you think, to clear up the inaccuracies, Rockhead, that is what opinion forums are about, to express your opinion in ways to help other people understand them.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:20 am
@okie,
are those the only two choices?

I'm neither black nor white...
okie
 
  -1  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:30 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

are those the only two choices?

I'm neither black nor white...

Those were not your only 2 choices. Here are my original questions that you've never answered. Feel free to answer them anytime.

okie wrote:
To clarify things for us, would you care to explain yourself a bit better, you may be an independent in terms of party affiliation, yes or no, or are you a registered Democrat? More importantly, in regard to actual political philosophy, are you more liberal or more conservative, what would be your claim? Did you vote for Obama, and how enthusiastic was your vote? That would tell us much about your political philosophy.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 10:34 am
@okie,
who is us?

I'm to the right of cyclo.
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 11:23 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Bull ****, Ican. The fact that your source is nothing more than a right-wing mouthpiece, and not some actual professional doctor's association, is all that anyone needs to know to evaluate the piece; I think that everyone here can come to their own conclusions as to whether 60 minutes and the NYT are more reliable then the Birchers.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=bigot&x=28&y=6
Main Entry: 1big•ot

1 obsolete : HYPOCRITE; especially : a superstitious religious hypocrite
2 : one obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion
synonym see ENTHUSIAST

Quote:

http://www.takebackmedicine.com/truthserum/2010/5/28/the-illegal-infection.html
The Illegal Infection
Friday, May 28, 2010 at 7:06PM

World Net Daily 3/28/10 “…the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, vol. 10, no. 1, Spring, 2005).

"The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes [the late] Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."
...
Joseph M. Scherzer, M.D.

(The extensive quotes from the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons are used with the permission of the AAPS)


H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 12:43 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:



I'm to the right of cyclo.


I can't argue with that statement, but who isn't to the right of cyclo?
okie
 
  -3  
Thu 3 Jun, 2010 01:27 pm
@H2O MAN,
Perhaps Obama?
 

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