realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 02:51 pm
President Obama is set to announce the deployment of 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S. border region with Mexico and will ask for $500 million to pay for it.
The plan preempts a Republican effort to attach adding troops to border control as part of a military spending bill.
John McCain and Jon Kyl, Arizona's Senators, have been pushing the idea of 6,000 troops at a cost of $250 million.
The Pentagon has been insisting that the military not have law enforcement authority.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 03:05 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

President Obama is set to announce the deployment of 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S. border region with Mexico and will ask for $500 million to pay for it.
The plan preempts a Republican effort to attach adding troops to border control as part of a military spending bill.
John McCain and Jon Kyl, Arizona's Senators, have been pushing the idea of 6,000 troops at a cost of $250 million.
The Pentagon has been insisting that the military not have law enforcement authority.


I'll have to read the fine print, but it appears to be a step in the right direction by Obama.
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okie
 
  -1  
Tue 25 May, 2010 03:41 pm
I have no objection to using National Guard for this function, because it seems to me that maintaining border security is a legitimate function of the military, however I think a number of measures could be instituted before resorting to use of the National Guard. These measures would include the absolute prohibition of benefits from any government entities to illegals in this country, that would be of utmost importance, and also very stiff fines for anyone that knowingly employs illegals, that would also be very key to solving the problem. If illegals could not get employment or other benefits here in this country, they would not come here in the first place, and if they were here, many would go home to stay.
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okie
 
  -2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:26 pm
Almost a new low now, at Minus 20 for his strongly approve / disapprove index as measured by Rasmussen, and his at least somewhat approve rating is now at an all time Rasmussen low at 42%. "That is the lowest level of approval yet measured for this president. Fifty-six percent (56%) now disapprove of his performance." :
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/images/obama_index_0525/316037-1-eng-US/obama_index_0525.jpg
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/may_2010/obama_total_approval_may_25_2010/316040-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_may_25_2010.jpg
realjohnboy
 
  3  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:32 pm
@okie,
What do you think has happened in recent days to account for that decline, Okie.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:41 pm
@okie,
A much more reliable and non-partisan group, Gallup, pegs his approval at 48-44.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:42 pm
@okie,
You have reached new levels of childishness with this response. Your comment that perhaps liberals award Nobels is ridiculous, even by your standards.

plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:44 pm
@realjohnboy,
I heard that on NPR on my way home. That really upset me. What a debacle.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 04:45 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That meshes with the long discussion I heard today.
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mysteryman
 
  2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 05:28 pm
@plainoldme,
So it upsets you that the President might actually start to secure the border and stop the flow of illegal immigrants and illegal drugs?

Why is that?
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 05:58 pm
@plainoldme,
The Nobel Committee awarded Al Gore a prize for his unsupported and unsupportable claim that CO2 increases in the atmosphere have caused global warming.
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 06:13 pm
@ican711nm,
SOLAR IRRADIATION INCREASES AND NOT CO2 INCREASES ARE MORE PROBABLY THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF AVERAGE ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURE INCREASES!

http://biocab.org/Correlation_Amplitude_SI-dT.jpg
http://biocab.org/Correlation_Amplitude_SI-dT.jpg

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2009

During the 100 year period, 1910 to 2010, the average annual global temperature increased less than 1°C (1.8°F).
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okie
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 07:14 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

What do you think has happened in recent days to account for that decline, Okie.

rjb, thanks for the question. I think it may be just as much a matter of what has Obama failed to do in recent days, or what has not happened in recent days to turn around the general decline of people's opinion of his job performance. I think people are not seeing any leadership in regard to the economy, the wars, national security, illegal immigration, and a whole host of issues, virtually all of them. In fact, most people would like the entire health care legislation be repealed, because as they hear more about it, there is nothing that impresses them as positive about it. In short, there is very little if any positive news in regard to anything that Obama has done.

A quick perusal of the news highlights the following:
The economy continues to flounder.
Obama continues to be pretty much AWOl in regard to the wars, tracking down terrorists, and meanwhile we read stories such as the Red Cross is training the Taliban.
Controversy continues over health care legislation and most people wish it was repealed.
Obama does not support peoples desire for enforcement of laws against illegal immigration.
Trouble between North Korea and South Korea.
Biden, the supposed foreign policy expert for Obama, continues to look and sound as foolish as he has always been.
Obama offers Joe Sestak a whitehouse job in an effort to remove him from the Pennsylvania Senate race contention.

Bottom line, it isn't so much what is in the news, but what is not in the news, which would be Obama showing some leadership in the right direction in regard to issues that people really care about. You asked, rjb, that is my take on it.
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okie
 
  0  
Tue 25 May, 2010 07:18 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

The Nobel Committee awarded Al Gore a prize for his unsupported and unsupportable claim that CO2 increases in the atmosphere have caused global warming.

Which agrees with the point I made to pom, more liberals receiving a prize does not indicate liberals are smarter, it may merely mean they received a prize from fellow liberals because they are liberal. Certainly, few people would claim Gore is the brightest bulb in the house.
rosborne979
 
  1  
Tue 25 May, 2010 07:21 pm
http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/approval-history.gif
okie
 
  -4  
Tue 25 May, 2010 07:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Uh, I think Rasmussen has outperformed Gallup in election results, and besides, Obama is not setting the world on fire with Gallups's current approval ratings. You of course favor Gallup because he is skewed toward the Democatic desire for Obama to look better than he may actually be.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 07:41 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

The Nobel Committee awarded Al Gore a prize for his unsupported and unsupportable claim that CO2 increases in the atmosphere have caused global warming.

Which agrees with the point I made to pom, more liberals receiving a prize does not indicate liberals are smarter, it may merely mean they received a prize from fellow liberals because they are liberal. Certainly, few people would claim Gore is the brightest bulb in the house.


And few people would argue that the group of Norwegians who award the Nobel Peace Prize are not liberals.

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okie
 
  -2  
Tue 25 May, 2010 08:32 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

You have reached new levels of childishness with this response. Your comment that perhaps liberals award Nobels is ridiculous, even by your standards.



The truth is not childishness, and it takes somebody willing to become an adult to to face the truth.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Wed 26 May, 2010 07:02 am
The US national debt just passed 13 TRILLION $.
I fail to see how that is good for the US, and I fail to see how any of Obama's new spending is going to help that number go down.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 26 May, 2010 08:11 am
@rosborne979,
Your chart illustrates an old saw: familiarity breeds contempt.
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