mysteryman
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 05:58 am
@Advocate,
HC reform doesnt do anything, because there has been no HealthCare reform.

What there is is health INSURANCE reform.
The rules for the insurance companies have changed, but actual health care has not been reformed.
parados
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 07:49 am
@Amigo,
Quote:

Do you defend these historians position that Obamas accomplishments will greatly outnumber those of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Franklin Roosevelt combined?


You do realize this is a comedy piece, don't you? There are no such historians. The author made them up.

While spelling may not be related to intellect. Reading comprehension and the ability to understand when something isn't true is clearly related to intellect.
parados
 
  2  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 07:57 am
@Amigo,
Quote:
I am a high school drop out. I never went to school. i am totally self educated. Think about this. If you argue this with me you will lose.

Quote:
The thing that is really absurd is that I can't spell, I droped out of school, I don't know teddy from Franklin Roosevelt. I can still be taken more seriously then a team of professors at a University.




Obviously you shouldn't be taken quite as seriously as the author of the piece about how historians rated Obama the best President ever since his credentials are impeccable.

Quote:
Mr. Cetta graduated super-mega-ultra cum laude from a pair of virtually unknown colleges in Northeastern PA, one of which was recently featured in American Screenwriting magazine, even though Mr. Cetta is no screenwriter, as anyone who has read his screenplays can attest.

http://knowinglyundersold.wordpress.com/about-the-author/
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Advocate
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 10:38 am
@mysteryman,
I see you are back to being a literalist. BTW, I guess you think that health insurance has nothing to do with health care. Pretty dumb, right?
Amigo
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:19 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:

Do you defend these historians position that Obamas accomplishments will greatly outnumber those of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Franklin Roosevelt combined?


You do realize this is a comedy piece, don't you? There are no such historians. The author made them up.

While spelling may not be related to intellect. Reading comprehension and the ability to understand when something isn't true is clearly related to intellect.
It isn't true? No I didn't know that. I didn't read the article so my intellects credibility is still intact.

I sure did beleive it. I wouldn't really put anything past Americans. Like considering Palin running the most power force in the history of the planet.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:20 am
@Amigo,
Quote:

It isn't true? No I didn't know that. I didn't read the article so my intellects credibility is still intact.


Sigg'd

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:30 am
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article II
Section 1.
...
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
...
The President
...
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
...
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.


Quote:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221
DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office
By JB Williams Saturday, April 24, 2010

Members from all three branches of the Federal government already know that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible for the office of President. National leaders, to include members of the US Supreme Court, already know that Barack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America, and therefore, is ineligible for the office he currently holds. (See JB’s new article on The Bottom Line on Natural Born Citizen)

What they don’t know is how long it will take for most Americans to figure it out, or what to do about it.

The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.

Eric Holder’s Department of Justice continues to deploy taxpayer funded attorneys around the country to file dismissals on behalf of Obama, denying all American citizens access to the courts as a peaceful remedy, which only fuels the fire of discontent and the questions about Obama persist.

Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Barack’s “home country.” She knows, after twenty years with Barack. The Ambassador or Kenya has confirmed the same His family friends all know it, and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States.

The US Supreme Court knows what the constitutional condition of “natural born citizen” means. Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.

Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of president, which is why she refused to certify the following language when certifying Obama as the DNC candidate for president in 2008.

This is the normal language for certification of nomination for president and vice president, filed by the DNC only in the state of Hawaii…

This is the language filed by the DNC in the other 49 states, however…

Note that the language which certifies that Barack Hussein Obama meets all constitutional qualifications is missing in the DNC documents filed in 49 of the 50 states. The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president was filed only in Hawaii. That text is missing in the DNC certification filings for all other states.

Whereas the RNC filed the exact same certification document, including the constitutional text for John McCain in all 50 states, Obama was technically certified in only one state, Hawaii. A mere inconvenient technicality, I’m sure…

The US Congress knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not constitutionally qualified for the office he holds. Although the congress passed a resolution proclaiming Senator John McCain a “natural born citizen” as the son of two US citizens, no such congressional resolution exists for Barack Hussein Obama.

The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago. A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.
Over four-hundred law suits have been filed across the country asking the courts to force Obama to become the “transparent president” he promised to be, and all four-hundred are being dismissed before discovery, all on the basis that “no citizen has proper legal standing” to ask who and what their president really is…

Over a half-million citizens have now signed a petition demanding to see Obama’s birth records.

Numerous members of the US Military have refused deployment orders from Obama, on the basis that he refuses to evidence his constitutional qualifications to issue such orders. In most cases, the soldiers have simply been reassigned, so as to avoid any disciplinary action that could end in “defense discovery” which might finally force Obama to open up his files once and for all.

Now an eighteen year veteran flight surgeon and active Lt. Colonel faces court martial as he makes his demands for proof that Obama is constitutionally eligible to issue orders as Commander-in-Chief.
Obama’s entire domestic, foreign and national defense agenda has proven to be wholly anti-American.

Obama’s entire domestic, foreign and national defense agenda has proven to be wholly anti-American on every possible level. Still, the answers concerning who and what Barack Hussein Obama Jr. really is remain elusive in the face of unprecedented efforts to ask the right questions.

No matter who asks, how they ask or where they ask, not one single individual in Washington DC or even state government seems willing to weigh in on the most important issue of our era. Who and what is the man sitting in the people’s White House?

How in the hell did we get an overtly anti-American resident of the people’s White House without so much as a simple birth certificate to prove who this person really is?

And why won’t a single elected representative of the people engage in the effort to force an answer to this question?
The answers to these and many more questions are likely very simple and equally chilling…

The Speaker of the House does not refuse to certify her candidate as “constitutionally qualified” in forty-nine of fifty states by accident
Nobody spends $2 million in legal fees to hide an authentic birth certificate.

The Speaker of the House does not refuse to certify her candidate as “constitutionally qualified” in forty-nine of fifty states by accident. A press that knew he was the “first Kenyan born senator” didn’t forget that he was Kenyan born when he decided to run for president.

Most importantly, the people DO have a right (read - proper standing) to ask who and what their president really is, in any court, any time. And soldiers are court-martialed for refusing orders, unless those orders were issued by an illegitimate Commander-in-Chief.

DC knows what most Americans have yet to figure out…
Obama is NOT a natural born citizen no matter where he might have been born. Obama’s birth father was at no time an American citizen and on this basis alone, Obama cannot be a constitutionally qualified resident of the White House.

They know something else that the American people have yet to figure out…
The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land. Obama’s many unconstitutional policies, Czars, executive orders and statements provide the proof, and the fact that nobody in DC cares whether or not Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president of the United States should send a shiver down the spine of every red blooded American citizen, no matter their partisan agendas.

The people willing to ask the tough questions are deemed crackpots and conspiracy theorists, racists or bigots. But those tough questions should be obvious questions to all Americans and every president should have to answer those questions, no matter race, creed, color or party affiliation.
I fear that those questions will only be answered at the tip of pitch forks and torches one day. Sooner or later, the people will run out of patience with a system built to exclude them. When that day comes, I fear what methods will be employed and whether or not there will be a country left to save by then.
But sooner or later, one way or another, Obama will have to answer those questions. One day, the world will know who and what this man is and there will be a day of reckoning like no other in American history.

The longer it takes for that day to arrive, the more dangerous the situation will become. A man not even qualified to hold the office is using that office to destroy the greatest nation on earth. How much patience can the people be expected to display?

Obama is not eligible for the office he currently holds and everyone in a position to know - already know.

What they don’t know is how much longer they can keep it all a secret, or what will happen next.
parados
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:32 am
@Amigo,
Amigo wrote:

I didn't read the article so my intellects credibility is still intact.




I don't think anyone will question the level of your intellect.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:36 am
@ican711nm,
LOL, that's one of the nuttiest things I've read in some time!

Quote:
A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.


What is it that you say? Oh yes. I await evidence showing that this is in fact true.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:41 am
Quote:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22392
Papering Barry
By Judi McLeod Saturday, April 24, 2010
Note to Obamabots: JB Williams is a full-blooded American. In point of fact, you can file him under genus: American Patriot.

When Google News ran JB’s DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office on its front page yesterday, Canada Free Press (CFP) was hit by 20,000 visitors within the first five minutes.

Hundreds of letters started pouring in using the Obamabot’s favourite one line message: “Idiot!” Being familiar with the term it was the only word they spelled correctly.

For anyone who may have been thinking that the Obamabots returned to the local pool halls after the election of their Messiah, Google proves that they are alive and seething.

Many letters accused JB of being a “dirty Canuck”. Interesting how they bandy the word “racist” about, but feel it’s okay to smear those they disagree with as a “dirty Canuck”.

“Don’t come here, Canada, you’re not welcome!” was the theme of their collective message.

JB, of course, is American and has the birth certificate to prove it. It is CFP who is the “dirty “Canuck”.

Reading all of the letters from these courageous Obamabots, like their master hiding their identities, in this case behind GMail, hotmail and Yahoo accounts, made me stop and think about the Big O’s missing education records.

You see, it’s not the controversy of his BC that troubles me, it’s that all of the straw man’s papers are locked away from public view.

Knowing he wasn’t born in a manger is about all we know for sure about the president of the most powerful nation on earth.

For all we know, little Barry Soetoro may have failed kindergarten.

Since Obama’s arrival to the Oval Office, documents don’t seem to matter anymore. Plebes (unless illegal aliens) have to show their driver’s license when stopped by police. No one but terrorists fly anywhere without a valid passport. Countless Americans are now further identified by being put on a variety of government lists that track dissenters as though dissent is now an indictable crime.

Would you let a stranger enter your door? You (Obamabots) let one into your White House!

We seem to be moving into a world where documents don’t matter. The pretend world of Hollywood and Reality TV have become reality.

Did the brief stint Obama performed as an interpreter for the CIA in Afghanistan decades later enable him to a brand new identity in the Witness Protection Program ripoff of all time?

Back in that era it was the Ahmad Masoud-led Northern Alliance and not the Taliban who put the run to the most dreaded army on earth, the Red Russian Army. The Taliban back then were the warlords. It would be a stretch to think that Barry Soetoro would get to do active duty with the courageous Northern Alliance. Who, then, was he fighting for? Is it a Freudian slip that Soetoro-cum-Obama pronounces “Taliban as “Tal-ee-ban”?

With the CIA in there, we’ll never really know.

But one thing we do know is that once we start accepting the missing identity of the President of the United States of America, how long is it before we let through charlatans in medicine and the military?

With no onus on proof, anybody can be anybody they want to be.

If I were going to recreate my identify, I’d try for Einstein. How about you?

Perhaps the Obamabots and FoxNews, which goes so far to promote the smearing those still asking the questions about who Obama really is, should be rebranding them as “Documentarists” rather than “Birthers”.

Getting rid of documents is a convenient agenda in the first-the-pond-tomorrow-the-word Power Game.

Only in America can a man who doesn’t exist grow up to be President.

Meanwhile, the latest attack of the Obamabots on the incomparable JB Williams and CFP only gave us more traffic.
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Amigo
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:44 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

It isn't true? No I didn't know that. I didn't read the article so my intellects credibility is still intact.


Sigg'd

Cycloptichorn
What does sigg'd mean?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:45 am
@Amigo,
Amigo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

It isn't true? No I didn't know that. I didn't read the article so my intellects credibility is still intact.


Sigg'd

Cycloptichorn
What does sigg'd mean?


It means that your line is so farcical, so unintentionally humorous yet simultaneously pathetically sad, that it is now memorialized on my signature line. Congrats! You have beaten out Spendius for this honor.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:50 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago. A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.


I await your evidence showing that this is in fact "one of the nuttiest things [you have] read in some time!"
Amigo
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:51 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:

Do you defend these historians position that Obamas accomplishments will greatly outnumber those of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Franklin Roosevelt combined?


You do realize this is a comedy piece, don't you? There are no such historians. The author made them up.

While spelling may not be related to intellect. Reading comprehension and the ability to understand when something isn't true is clearly related to intellect.
So this would actually apply to Advocate and not me since I never read it and Advocate read it and defended it? Right?

"While spelling may not be related to intellect. Reading comprehension and the ability to understand when something isn't true is clearly related to intellect."
Amigo
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:53 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Why did you not address my must substantial post? Did you miss them?
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:53 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Quote:
The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago. A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.


I await your evidence showing that this is in fact "one of the nuttiest things [you have] read in some time!"



'The nuttiest' is a personal opinion of mine - it is not a claim for which demands of evidence are appropriate. However, your correspondent clearly stated that people have been arrested and jailed for claiming that Obama isn't a citizen; you should be willing to forward some evidence showing that this is in fact true - that is, if you have any shred of intellectual honesty left.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
  2  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:53 am
@ican711nm,
JB Williams is the same guy that tried to argue that citizenship comes only from the citizenship of the father.

I have to hand it to you idiots on the right. You really are idiots.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:55 am
@Amigo,
Amigo wrote:

Why did you not address my must substantial post? Did you miss them?


I don't believe you wrote a substantial post in this thread any time lately. In fact, I'm sure of it.

This is getting boring, I'm out. Please understand that while I'm sure you are a nice person with many redeeming qualities, your understanding of politics is poor and you should try doing even the most basic research before commenting on modern issues.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
  1  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 12:11 pm
@Amigo,
Amigo wrote:

So this would actually apply to Advocate and not me since I never read it and Advocate read it and defended it? Right?

"While spelling may not be related to intellect. Reading comprehension and the ability to understand when something isn't true is clearly related to intellect."

No, it applies to YOU since you are the one that quoted it and attacked the "historians".
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1631#post-3972103

Why would you quote a piece if you didn't read it? Do you just pick random sentences off the internet to quote while not reading them at all?
ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 26 Apr, 2010 12:42 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn, until you start to provide evidence that what you have claimed and will claim is true, I will not be obligated to provide you any evidence for what I or any of my "correspondents" claim is true.

In particular, I continue to await your evidence that Republicans are responsible for the start of the current recession.

By the way, I also want your evidence that one who makes a claim that something is NOT true, is NOT obligated to provide evidence that claim is true.

 

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