@okie,
Of course, he won't Okie. His confusion is quite evident. He would be thrown out of any court by the presiding judge in short order because he is completely illogical.
I read your posts and cannot find where you called Barack Hussein Obama a criminal. However, I must tell you that there are people on the internet who have called Obama a liar. I do not agree with that statement since there are certain conditions required to be a real liar. But some people, even hard core Democrats, have called him disengenuous. Note:
Monday, March 3, 2008
Barack Obama is Disingenuous
Something has been bothering me about the spectacular rise of freshmen Illinois Senator Barack Obama for a while, and I just couldn't put my finger on it. It might have something to do with the sycophantic fawning of the media, perhaps; it may also have had something to do with how so many of my friends and fellow Democrats were jumping on the bandwagon, seemingly without any critical thought.
I finally figured it out when this story about Obama's position on NAFTA broke;
Barack Obama's senior economic policy adviser privately told Canadian officials to view the debate in Ohio over trade as "political positioning," according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press that was rejected by the adviser and held up Monday as evidence of doublespeak by rival Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The memo is the first documentation to emerge publicly out of the meeting between the adviser, Austan Goolsbee, and officials with the Canadian consulate in Chicago, but Goolsbee said it misinterprets what he told them. The memo was written by Joseph DeMora, who works for the consulate and attended the meeting.
"Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign," the memo said. "He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plan.
So either the adviser is telling the truth, and he misled our Canadian neighbors over Obama's position on perhaps the single most important current treaty between our nations, or he's lying and the campaign really did represent to another nation that they were bullshitting the American public to score points off of Hillary Clinton. The only other option is that the Canadians in this meeting are lying in the memo in an attempt to discredit Obama, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering they may very well have to deal with this guy as President of the United States before too long.
This is, of course, going on while the Senator is representing his position on NAFTA like this during the Ohio debates (warning, long quote... emphasis mine);
MR. WILLIAMS: Senator, thank you.
Before we turn the questioning over to Tim Russert, Senator Obama.
SEN. OBAMA: Well, I think that it is inaccurate for Senator Clinton to say that she's always opposed NAFTA. In her campaign for Senate, she said that NAFTA, on balance, had been good for New York and good for America. I disagree with that. I think that it did not have the labor standards and environmental standards that were required in order to not just be good for Wall Street but also be good for Main Street. And if you travel through Youngstown and you travel through communities in my home state of Illinois, you will see entire cities that have been devastated as a consequence of trade agreements that were not adequately structured to make sure that U.S. workers had a fair deal.
Now, I think that Senator Clinton has shifted positions on this and believes that we should have strong environmental standards and labor standards, and I think that's a good thing. But you know, when I first moved to Chicago in the early '80s and I saw steelworkers who had been laid off of their plants -- black, white, and Hispanic -- and I worked on the streets of Chicago to try to help them find jobs, I saw then that the net costs of many of these trade agreements, if they're not properly structured, can be devastating.
And as president of the United States, I intend to make certain that every agreement that we sign has the labor standards, the environmental standards and the safety standards that are going to protect not just workers, but also consumers. We can't have toys with lead paint in them that our children are playing with. We can't have medicines that are actually making people more sick instead of better because they're produced overseas. We have to stop providing tax breaks for companies that are shipping jobs overseas and give those tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States of America.
And if we do those things, then I believe that we can actually get Ohio back on the path of growth and jobs and prosperity. If we don't, then we're going to continue to see the kind of deterioration that we've seen economically here in this state.
So if the Canadians aren't lying, and I really don't see any reason why they would, then all this was just fluff intended to endear Obama with those that stand against NAFTA, all the while scoring dishonest points against Senator Clinton. This really disturbed me when I went back and read Obama's comments- the last thing I want is a another disingenuous president, regardless what party they come from.
This incident alone wouldn't make me feel that perhaps Obama is not nearly as honest and forthright as he and his surrogates make out. There was also this from NBC's Meet the Press November 7th, 2004, shortly after winning his freshmen Senate seat;
MR. RUSSERT: Before you go, you know there's been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your full six-year term as U.S. senator from Illinois?
SEN.-ELECT OBAMA: Absolutely. You know, a little--some of this hype's been a little overblown. It's flattering, but I have to remind people that I haven't been sworn in yet. I don't know where the rest rooms are in the Senate. I'm going to have to figure out how to work the phones, answer constituent mail. I expect to be in the Senate for quite some time, and hopefully I'll build up my seniority from my current position, which I believe is 99th out of 100.
I watch all the Sunday shows, and I distinctly remember this- I also remember Obama coming back on the show to try and un-say these words less than two years later on October 22nd, 2006;
MR. RUSSERT: But, but"so you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?
SEN. OBAMA: I will not.
(End videotape)
MR. RUSSERT: You will not.
SEN. OBAMA: Well, the"that was how I was thinking at that time. And, and, you know, I don’t want to be coy about this, given the responses that I’ve been getting over the last several months, I have thought about the possibility. But I have not thought it"about it with the seriousness and depth that I think is required. My main focus right now is in the ‘06 and making sure that we retake the Congress. After oh"after November 7, I’ll sit down and, and consider, and if at some point, I change my mind, I will make a public announcement and everybody will be able to go at me.
MR. RUSSERT: But it’s fair to say you’re thinking about running for president in 2008?
SEN. OBAMA: It’s fair, yes.
MR. RUSSERT: And so when you said to me in January, “I will not,” that statement is no longer operative.
SEN. OBAMA: The"I would say that I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to, to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months.
MR. RUSSERT: So, it sounds as if the door has opened a bit.
SEN. OBAMA: A bit.
And then there was Obama's confusing statements on public financing;
A year ago, both McCain and Obama indicated that they would accept public financing for the general election if the other party's nominee did as well.
But Obama, whose fundraising has brought in record amounts of primary money, has hedged that position over the past week, giving McCain openings to pounce.
Last week, Obama said it would be "presumptuous of me to say now that I'm locking myself into something when I don't even know if the other side is going to agree to it."
McCain gave Clinton a pass on the issue, given that she never indicated she would forgo public financing.
Now I know saying these kinds of things is going to rile a lot of folks up- most of the Obama supporters I know are deeply emotional about their chosen candidate. So emotional, it seems perhaps they are making their decisions based on how they feel about the guy rather than substantial policy positions. I saw similar behavior out of the supporters of another couple of candidates in recent history- Ron Paulites and Bush supporters also get very agitated when their political "faith" is questioned. Either way it disturbs me that so many people are getting romanced right out of their reasoning.
The long and short here is we Democrats feel that taking the White House in 2008 is essential to the health and prosperity of our nation. Is it really the best idea to nominate an unknown quantity like Barack Obama, especially when he is continually dropping contradictory statements like those above? I've never declared any serious support on this blog for Hillary Clinton per se, but at least she is a known quantity with years of fulfilling promises under her belt.
As a hardcore Democrat, I just can't offer my support for Senator Barack Obama. We have to much to lose to bet all our chips on an unsure thing, especially if the only reason the party is swooning for the guy is his pretty speeches and inspirational rhetoric, which as we saw above can occasionally be described by any rational person as disingenuous.