Obama '08?

You mean Roosevelt INCREASED Federal spending to end the depression?

My God ican, that is what you said didn't happen.

No, they haven't been well documented. However it is well documented that Reagan testified about the commies he knew so that must make Reagan a Communist, doesn't it?

No, but the concept that Davis was a socialist is based on hearsay from the bullshit HUAC hearings - which was an evil time in America. It's sad that you would ever quote from that.



No, but the idea that this makes Obama a socialist in any way is hearsay - perpetrated by you and other far-right wingers who don't know a damn thing about what they are talking about.


Yes, that it makes you Socialist to have attended a church which has Black Liberation Theology teachings is hearsay. It is untrue.



Yes, that is hearsay. Parados pointed this out to you earlier in the thread.



The idea that this makes you a socialist is hearsay.

As for the Bush thing, educate yourself -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Guilt by association isn't an accusation you get to turn on and off, Okie. If you are going to damn someone based on their associations and ignore their actions, you have to agree that the same can be done to everyone - even people you admire.

Cycloptichorn

Okay then, since you think you can explain all of them away, what about the "New Party" endorsement and membership? That appears to me to be pretty much case closed on your baseless defense of all of Obama's Marxist associations and connections.

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FYI, He was a NAVY fighter pilot and was shot down while fighting the Japanese.
He never flew combat missions against the Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

mm, okay split hairs if you wish, but we were fighting both the Nazis and the Japanese. A defeat of the Japanese was also a defeat for the Nazis. I am sure that if Bush had been sent to a different theatre of the war, he would have been directly fighting the Nazis. Good grief, mm.

I would still like to know what you think of Obama being a member of the New Party, as well as all of the other Obama Marxist connections and associations. I hope you are not now becoming an Obama apologist too?

I would like to know if you have read up on BLT, and all of the other stuff, but the New Party is a particularly fascinating connection, because that ocurred while running for the Illinois State Senate, and so it is a clear connection.

I know some of this stuff is shocking, to actually face up to the fact that Obama may be what he is, that he has had all of these associations, and what they mean, but this is reality folks, we must face it. If anyone here has communist or Marxist leanings, or maybe just extreme socialist beliefs, then continue to support Obama, he is your man. But face it, if you value freedom and liberty, and capitalism, you need to speak up, speak out, and oppose him, and you need to be more educated about all of this stuff, because this is what and who Obama is that I am talking about. The mainstream press is not going to tell you, you have to dig into it and listen to alternative media, the people that are doing the research and bringing it to light.

Obama is a socialist and you would realize it if you listened to the crazies instead of sane people.

You are so far out there okie, I wonder how people like you survive in this world. Doesn't your paranoia prevent from ever leaving your home?

My Goodness Okie. Some similarly afflicted fool's blog now constitutes proof to you? IMO, MM was being generous: You'll never pull that rabbit out the hat, unless your audience consists exclusively of fools. This would make you a NO trick pony in normal circles.

There's no evidence he was ever a member of the 'New party.' They endorsed him, but so what? The KKK endorses a candidate every year, but that doesn't make whoever they endorse a member of or supporter of their cause.

You need to face the reality that this argument is a failed one, Okie. It will not convince anyone that Obama is the Devil that you make him out to be. In court, guilt by association is laughed at, and you should realize why: it doesn't constitute actual proof of anything.

Cycloptichorn

okie, I, for one, am constantly amazed at your insightful analysis of both current and past political philosophy. I take it that you spend nearly all your free time reading/studying everything from Plato's Republic to Theodore White's Making of the President. I have no idea how you find all the time to do this as I am retired and yet am unable to find that much time and readily admit to just not being as astute in my own knowledge. with your guidence I am rethinking my political persuasions especially my Marxist extremist tendencies. I may even start reading more critical histories socialism and the decline of freedom in america. You are obviously a very wise man Okie and with luck I may follow in your footsteps.

He became a member in exchange for their endorsement. Also, he actively sought their endorsement.

If a candidate actively sought the endorsement of the KKK, and then received it, and also became a member, what would you be saying. Actually I do not know, because you actively supported former KKK members, such as KKK Byrd, so you liberals are an enigma, very hard to figure out. You will pretty much support anybody that will support your liberal and socialist agenda, that much is evident.

Its on record, Bill, they did try to purge the records of what happened there, but sorry, it was too late. Bill, go ahead and keep supporting the ultra Socialist agenda, if that is what you believe, but be aware conservatives will come out in droves in every upcoming election to fight your ilk.

There is no actual evidence of this. Or perhaps you can provide some?



Actually that wasn't what I was saying at all. You tend to retreat into things like this when your argument fails.

Cycloptichorn

Yeah Bill, you Ultra-Socialist you!

C'mon, we're late for a meeting! We need to discuss how to more efficiently steal Okie's money and use it to fund our union allies.

Cycloptichorn

It's almost beyond parody at this point. One would have to be completely ignorant of someone's posting history to make such a claim.

Cycloptichorn

so Okie I've been sitting here this morning thinking about something that you may be able to help me out with. In reading The Clouds by Aristophanes I began wondering if his reference to the Phrontisterion was in fact a satirical play about the foibles of modern intellectualism in the education system of classical Athens and would that apply equally to our modern american universities which have become mental playgrounds for unrealistic economic/social policy. You know, the whole live on credit, let the grandchildren of our future pay for the soft and easy living we all want to experience today. things like, well, things like going ahead and getting that "52 LCD wall mounted T.V. and just put it all on the mastercard or perhaps trading in that Chrysler Minivan for a new Hummer? You know, things like that. Anyway I was wondering what you thought about Aristophanes and his use of satire to make commentary about the folkways and mores of extreme liberalism especially as it relates to education and economic policy. Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

When I first joined this board, I found Bill's posts to be halfway reasonable, and I think I even sent the man a personal message to convey my appreciation of his posts. However, in the past year, Bill has not only supported one of the most ultra left candidates in history, Obama, I suppose because he somehow got suckered into thinking he was some kind of centrist. Not only that, anytime anyone posts anything about enforcing illegal immigration laws, Bill is right there to call them a bigot, and I have been on the receiving end of that nonsense as well. So, I have had to conclude Bill has pretty much gone off the deep end, I have no clue what happened in his head, but he now defends every ultra liberal position, it seems to me.

I am not going to sugarcoat the opinions anymore. Anybody like Obama that has the radical associations that he has, and constantly berates the businesses that have made this country what it is, plus apologizes for a country that my dad and others in my family risked their very lives for, sorry, I am past having any patience for such people anymore. Obama is my president, and I once chastised a poster for being disrespectful across the line in terms of terminology, I will defend Obama, and most of all I want absolutely no harm to come to the man, but in the interests of preserving freedom and some semblance of a decent country, we need to sweep this bunch out of office as soon as possible. Obama has earned no respect from me, and I have no patience with a president that has been dishonest about himself and the country I love.

Is there a possibility that Obama could grow out of his radicalism, if that is a possibility, I certainly hope so, but based upon his words and actions, I don't see it, he continues to blame everything on Bush, on the people, and on the country for virtually every problem that we have. It should be fairly obvious by now that Obama is no lover of capitalism and freedom, the man is a radical, okay, got that everybody? If you value the country, liberty, and capitalism, oppose the current administration and Democrats in Congress. Pretty simple formula, based upon what we know about them.

it might not all be doom and gloom

if things continue, there's gonna be a new industry for all those red flags with the gold stars to replace the old flag

and work for the fashion industry making all the Mao jackets, and all the potato farmers to make all the vodka (jobs for distillers)

hey, this socialism thing might not be too bad