Obama '08?

@cicerone imposter,

you are old, you grew up expecting people to be honest, even politicians. Most Americans don't have that same expectation, so lies don't effect them the same way.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

Advocate wrote:

One really needs to hold his nose reading Okie. He gets more vile and putrid by the moment.

And then we have MM who thinks he is a constitutional scholar, although his writing is that of a five-year-old.

what is putrid is the idea that our president learned his politics from Jeremiah Wright, Saul Alinsky, and other Marxists, and the guy actually got elected. But maybe people are starting to wake up from the media induced trance that somehow cast a spell over people to make them believe something very very far fetched, that Obama was a centrist, a moderate, and that he was something more than a cheap Chicago agitator that believes in wealth redistribution, hates businesses and free markets, and apologizes for America everywhere the man goes.

That is all lies. You cannot (and will not) prove any of your statements.

Not lies. They are the absolute truth. Wright, Alinsky, and others are part of the established historical record. Here is a list, with more names, including my comments. Of course Obama will never claim to be a Marxist, Marxists seldom do that until they have already gained political power, but the links are very very strong and undeniable, and many of Obama's own slips of the tongue indicate where his affections lie, and they are not in the direction of free market capitalism, I think that should be extremely obvious by now. The links are not casual acquaintances, but they are many of the people that shaped Obama's thinking and political career. The conclusion should be obvious to anyone that can bear the honest truth about Obama now.

Obama's mother, Stanley Dunham, claimed by some to be a communist. Not entirely documented, but personality does present some troubling aspects.

Obama's father, Barack H. Obama, some of his writings indicate a socialist or Marxist viewpoint.

Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, has been well documented to be a member of the Communist Party USA and an open Marxist.

Obama as a community organizer learned his trade from Saul Alinsky, a well known Marxist that taught community organizing in "Rules for Radicals" as a first step toward Marxist revolution.

Obama's spiritual and political mentor for 20 plus years, the Reverend Wright, who preached the principles of Black Liberation Theology as a foundation of his religion, which is rooted in Marxist theory.

Obama's longtime friends Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, in whose home his political career was launched, were founders of the radical group, the Weathermen, whose radical mission was the overthrow of the United States, to destroy "U.S. Imperialism" and achieve a classless world, which is obviously world communism or Marxism.

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@okie,

And the very fact that the Democratic Party would choose a man with so many Marxist ties, is also extremely troubling and telling in regard to just who is controlling the Democratic Party. How that party can actually survive as a legitimate political party in a country like ours is really a remarkable phenomena. It is also troubling to note the support given that party by the mainstream media. The entire package of what has happened in the last few years in this country in regard to Obama, is almost unbelievable that his candidacy actually became viable enough to win.

It is possible however that as more and more people wake up from their trance and realize just what and who Obama is, his presidency could do more to revitalize and empower the conservative movement and the Republicans, than any political event in the last few decades. That is still yet to be determined, but the very real possibility is definitely presenting itself.

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@okie,

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And the very fact that the Democratic Party would choose a man with so many Marxist ties, is also extremely troubling and telling in regard to just who is controlling the Democratic Party. How that party can actually survive as a legitimate political party in a country like ours is really a remarkable phenomena. It is also troubling to note the support given that party by the mainstream media. The entire package of what has happened in the last few years in this country in regard to Obama, is almost unbelievable that his candidacy actually became viable enough to win

Said as if the party of Gingrich/Delay/Cheney is SOOOOO much better. Get out of your glass house.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye, perhaps you have swallowed the demogoguery of Gingrich, DeLay, and Cheney by the mainstream media, but I have not.

The Republicans would be soooo much better. At least we would have a party that believed in free market capitalism and in many of the principles of the constitution. Sure, many Republcians have not lived up to their calling, such as Bush should have cut spending but did not, and so on. If you have ever heard of the old voter creed of voting for the lesser of two evils, you would know what I mean.

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@okie,

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At least we would have a party that believed in free market capitalism

you've got that right, that trio perfected the shake down the riff-raff/redistribute the wealth to their friends maneuver, a capitalist endeavor if I ever saw one. Oh wait, that is corruption.....sorry.

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@hawkeye10,

okie still hasn't caught on that the government's no contract business to Halliburton were illegal. The secret meetings that Cheney had with the oil company heads before GWBush started the war in Iraq is no coincidence.

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@cicerone imposter,

Probably about as many as still trust Bush.

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@okie,

Okie,
Don't you ever get tired of posting so much bullschitt?

How much have you been paid (& continue to be paid) to post this gibberish?

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@okie,

I can't even begin to describe the ridiculousness of your post.

But, to start, I'll note that the Bush family did extensive business with Hitler and continues to do extensive business with the House of Saud; therefore, Bush senior and junior, they obviously have fascist leanings.

Guilt by association is the last tool of a useless debater, Okie. When challenged to name 'socialist' things Obama is doing, you can't do so. When he had chances to make movements in our economic system which would increase socialism in any way, he has not done so. You have no explanation whatsoever for why reality hasn't matched your projections of Obama.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Isn't picking a fight with both Wall Street and the USSC socialisitic?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Isn't picking a fight with both Wall Street and the USSC socialisitic?

yes, of course it is, Wall street is a fictional bogieman which only exists in the minds of banal plebians while the USSC is the letterhead of patricians desiring apparent legitimacy.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Isn't picking a fight with both Wall Street and the USSC socialisitic?

No. Was this a joke question?

Cycloptichorn

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@dyslexia,

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Wall street is a fictional bogieman which only exists in the minds of banal plebians while the USSC is the letterhead of patricians desiring apparent legitimacy.

Wall street is a hugely bloated leach on this society, which contributes little of value towards a better life for the collective, all the while taking huge risks which when they go bad the taxpayers get stuck paying for. This finally having been learned, Wall Street will now be right sized, though a process of law making on risk and oversight, and massive taxation on all banks that are to big to fail. Thus big banks will voluntary be broken down to a scale that will not collapse the economy if they fail, so that next time the managers get stupid with risk taking we can let the companies die. The twenty year tradition of creating fraudulent profits and then extracting them through the payments of bonuses will be dramatically reduced by heavy taxation of the bonuses.

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@hawkeye10,

bull ****. just another example of simple minded problem solving without ever defining the problem, you hawkeye are an excellent excellent example of answers problems without understanding the questions.

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@dyslexia,

Paul Volcker is substantially on my side, and so are a lot of other people. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it old man. Your generation has completely fucked the economy with your bullshit ideas on economics and quality of life that have been proven to be wrong, it is time for a change.

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@cicerone imposter,

Are all govt no bid contracts illegal?
If they are, then why is the current admin continuing the process?

http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/04/01/NMCI.aspx

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@mysteryman,

excelent quastion.

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@mysteryman,

"No bid" or, more properly in the government lexicon, "sole source" contracts are not and never have been illegal. Indeed they have long been a continuing feature of the procurement patterns of various government brueaucracies, particularly in the areas of social services and education. However, even the Defense and Energy departments use them in many cases as well.

The Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) spell out the conditions and circumstances under which sole source contracts are deemed by the government to be advantageous to it and therefore preferable. The choices in this area are made by the contracting officers and lawyers of the Federal Agencies involved. Many sole source procurements are themselves the results of earmarks attached to usually unrelated legislation by our ever vigilant congressmen and senators - earmarks that often specify not only what exactly the government shall buy, but also from whom.

Other apparent sole source or "no bid" contract awards come as a result of prior competitions for emergency service contracts that are activated only in the event of the specified emergency. That was the case with the Haliburton services contract in the Persian Gulf region. In fact the contract in question was awarded in a competitive process with other bidders participating. Apparently Haliburton proposed the best terms and was awarded the contract, which remained empty for several years before the Iraq war started.

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@georgeob1,

However, there are always two sides to every coin.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/25/60minutes/main551091.shtml

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