OCCOM BILL
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 11:29 am
@joefromchicago,
Actually, I think Ican was closer... but the truth is I erroneously assumed I could drop the "in" off of "indiscriminate" and still be writing English. Live and learn.

Settle down C.I., I was indeed agreeing with your sentiment.

Okie, if you had a clue what a “Marxist” was, you wouldn’t write such foolishness. Until you learn that everything socialized isn’t Socialist, Communist and/or Marxist; it will be impossible to reason with you.

Btw, how’s that socialized Medicare treating you? Do the socialized police patrol your area? Does anyone in your family attend the socialized public school system? I can't recall reading your complaints about these clearly socialistic policies. And how dare the government take money from you at gunpoint to fund socialized fire departments? How dare they take away your freedom to put out your own fires!
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Advocate
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I see O'Bill has a friend on a2k.


Faint praise if I ever heard it.
joefromchicago
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:32 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Here is a quote from the Black Republicans Association that agrees with the increasingly more common belief by many, not only me, that Obama has at least Marxist leanings, if not being outright Marxist at heart.

The Black Republicans Association? I remember their last national convention. All of the delegates drove to the meeting together in a Mini Cooper.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 12:55 pm
@Advocate,
That was a praise? LOL
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ican711nm
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 02:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CICERONE IMPOSTER wrote:
What happened to Bush's "Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003?" It's been six years after his growth tax relief act, and he produced no increase in jobs, but managed to be the worst job producer since Hoover. Over 3 millions jobs lost with no net increase in jobs.

Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Partial History of U.S. Federal Income Tax Rates
Highest and lowest Income Tax Rates 1971 to 2009
...
1971-1981: minimum = 14%; maximum = 70% [CARTER 1977-1981]

1982-1986: minimum = 11%; maximum = 50% [REAGAN 1981-1989]

1987-1987: minimum = 11%; maximum = 38.5%

1988-1990: minimum = 15%; maximum = 33% [BUSH 41 1989-1993]

1991-1992: minimum = 15%; maximum = 31%

1993-2000: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.6% [CLINTON 1993-2001]

2001- 2001: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.1%

2002-2002: minimum = 10%; maximum = 38.6% [BUSH 43 2001-2009]

2003-2009: minimum = 10%; maximum = 35%


Quote:

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
HISTORY OF TOTAL USA EMPLOYMENT 1980 - 2009

....Total USA Employed.....Change
Carter
1980…… 99,302,000………….... + 7,285,000
Reagan
1984….. 105,005,000…………... + 5,703,000
Reagan
1988….. 114,968,000…………... + 9,963,000
Bush I
1992….. 118,492,000…………... + 3,524,000
Clinton
1996….. 126,708,000…………... + 8,216,000
Clinton
2000….. 136,891,000…………... + 10,183,000
Bush II
2004….. 139,252,000…………... + 2,361,000
Bush II
December 2008….. 143,338,000…………. + 4,086,000
Obama
December 2009 ....137,792,000......... - 5,546,000

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 13 Jan, 2010 02:25 pm
@ican711nm,
Obama didn't take office in December 2009; you ought to be counting Bush's entire term as you do other presidents. Of course, we lost a ton of jobs that month, so we all understand exactly why you are trying to fudge the numbers that way.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 13 Jan, 2010 02:29 pm
@okie,
Black Republicans, a real unbiased source.
Advocate
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 02:31 pm
@ican711nm,
Would you rather go back to last year when Bush was in charge? We were losing 700,000 jobs a month, and there was no program to reverse this.
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okie
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 04:58 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Black Republicans, a real unbiased source.

Not unbiased. They have strong bias towards liberty, freedom, and common sense, which equals conservatism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2010 05:00 pm
@okie,
They list Martin Luther King Jr as a member, but there's no proof of that - anywhere/anyplace, know how.
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mysteryman
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2010 05:02 pm
Does anyone still think he deserves the Nobel Prize?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100113/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_obama_war_funding

Quote:
WASHINGTON " President Barack Obama will ask Congress for an additional $33 billion to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on top of a record $708 billion for the Defense Department next year, The Associated Press has learned " a request that could be an especially hard sell to some of the administration's Democratic allies.

The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.

Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public.



How does this jibe with winning a PEACE prize?
Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jan, 2010 06:00 pm
@mysteryman,
Do you feel that one must be a pacifist to deserve the Peace Prize? I don't.
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2010 06:05 pm
@mysteryman,
Yeah Obama is looking more and more like a light-skinned negro Clinton Republican with socialistic tendencies every day.
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rabel22
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2010 06:11 pm
Come on people! We havent had a real liberal president since Johnson. And he was only one thousanth to the left of center.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2010 06:20 pm
@rabel22,
You might be spot on!
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realjohnboy
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2010 04:51 pm
Late this afternoon, according to NPR, the Obama administration announced that Haitians illegally in the U.S. as of January 12th will be granted "temporary protected status." The estimated number, as I heard it, is around 150,000.
The rationale is that these illegals may have little to return to in Haiti and their remittances will be badly needed.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:41 am
Quote:
According to an analysis of New York Times and CBS News polls, Obama has the lowest approval rating among whites at the end of his first year in office than any president in the 30 years that The Times and CBS News have collected such data. And the gap between Obama and the others is significant, ranging from 10 to 36 percentage points.

Furthermore, a Quinnipiac University poll, released on Wednesday, found that most whites think that Obama’s first year as president has been mainly a failure. A plurality of whites even said that Obama has been a worse president than George W. Bush.

If indeed being Negro-lite made Obama palatable to white voters, as Senator Harry Reid was spanked for saying, that charm has worn off. Whites are now fuming at him


I get real tired of how we always seem to need to talk about race in America, but point taken. If this keeps up it will be a cold day in hell before we elect another black, and since this experience is turning out so badly America is also highly unlikely to take a chance on electing a woman anytime in my lifetime (I am 47).
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:48 am
@hawkeye10,
forgot the link.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/opinion/16blow.html?hp
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 08:10 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't think the curent unrest in the country with respect to the current administration has much to do with President Obama personally or even his supposed race, but rather is traceable to the often discordant voices among the organized constituency groups in the Democrat party, which have vividly revealed themselves during the past year.

Except for the Carter & Clinton interregnums (12 years), Republicans have held the presidency for the past 40 years. During that time they managed to lose their unity, focus, and consistency, and that cost them the last election. Now we are seeing that various powerful organized Democrat constituencies were united primarily by their opposition to Republicans as opposed to unity around any constructive agenda or, more importantly, strategy for dealing with the contemporary world.

It has become clear that the Administration miscalculated when it chose to press ahead immediately with both health care reform and greenhouse gas reduction, despite the economic reverses we and the world are facing. (Interestingly it chose to apply a social welfare model here at a time when - quietly - Europe is discovering that theirs is unsustainable. This itself is an indication of zeal trumping observation and sound judgement.)

The fiasco of the process to date in attempting to enact acceptable health care legislation has revealed to all the discordant, even contradictory themes and elements in the Democrat platform and propaganda. Fiscal discipline is abandoned almost entirely. Ever more transparent deceptions are incorporated into a legislative structure to achieve the President's promised "deficit neutrality " (a typical vaguely defined rhetorical flourish). Grotesque deals and inequities are created to buy needed senatorial votes; buy off major contributors (Labor Unions and trial Lawyers; or pay off key interest groups (AMA, AARP, big Pharma, etc.). Even after all this the outcome remains a bit uncertain.

Cap and Trade legislation to limit GHG emissions appears dead from a legislative perspective, however, the Administration has chosen to proceed by fiat and enact the controls it wished administratively through the EPA's remarkable (and deceptive) finding that the CO2 we exhale is a toxic substance, and therefore subject to the (arbitrarily) selective application of existing laws. The public is only beginning to perceive the many adverse effects of this move.

While many Americans appeared to favor these key elements of the Democrat platform in principle, attempts to enact them have revealed their many flaws and side effects. The pay-offs to special constituencies have dispelled any notion of principled action on the part of the Administration, and aroused fears that enhanced government interference in our lives will make us subject to even more.

The increasingly authoritarian character of the Democrat extablishment - and the President - give the impression of a group desperate to sieze its main chance to enact long-sought preconceived solutions for many disparate elements of our lives and economy - never mind what else is going on in the world and in our economy. This betrays a certain lunacy or lack of common sense that I believe has seriously, if quietly, undermined public confidence in this administration.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 10:08 am
@georgeob1,
sounds right, which dovetails into the sense that the failure of the black sub-culture is directly due to the failure of blacks to deal with reality. Blacks are constantly absorbed into personal and group story (myth) and thus are unable to take hold of their tools and make something. Obama is proving to be the embodiment of multi-generational black failure, which was missed because all that was looked for was to make sure that he did not carry the black sub-culture victim mythology. Obama's myths are flavored more with Utopian fantasies, but are no less problematic.

Myths themselves are essential, but so is the ability to discern realities that run counter to the myths as well as the ability to deal with them. Obama seemed to be practical, a problem solver, a knower of problems (reality). I suppose getting a guy who is instead absorbed in myth is the cost of electing a guy we hardly knew into the presidency. The fact that he carries traditional black flaws should not come as a shock.
 

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