Obama '08?

@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

It is reported that the Dems have the 60 votes needed in the Senate to advance the health care bill in tonight's vote.

Are you serious? That's great if true.

If either the Senate or House healthcare bill or some mixture of the two is passed, it will cause great harm to the American economy and therefore to the American people.

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@ican711nm,

Chicken Little also reports, "the sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

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@ican711nm,

All you understand is fear-mongering without the balls to explain what your fears are. Unfortunately, that's the conservative meme during Obama's presidency, and almost 30% of like-minded conservatives believe you and the NO Party.

What does "great harm to the American People mean?" Do you mean those without health insurance now will be able to get health insurance? That's a real danger, because it also means our children will be healthier to be more productive citizens, and our products and services will become more competitive in the world marketplace.

Yup, that's dangerous to conservatives!

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@cicerone imposter,

I just love it when he says, "You said", then twist everything you've said to fit in that twisted mind of his. Thanks for the support!

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@mysteryman,

Will the sun rise tomorrow? Don't try and dissect my answers when you know what the facts are. They're just what I said they were and no need to backtrack and see what I've said. It is what it is! Do you dispute what a judge determined in who is at fault? He said it was the Corp. of Engineers decades of neglect, not for lack of funds. They CHOSE to do a "shoddy" job, ruined part of the environment in doing so. I stand by the judge. Keep trying to excuse Bush, but failure begins at the top! It happened on HIS watch. Get a grip!

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@mysteryman,

"And then you turn around and blame it all on racism.
But that was expected, because you blame EVERYTHING on racism."

You're pretty stupid, too!

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

realjohnboy wrote:

It is reported that the Dems have the 60 votes needed in the Senate to advance the health care bill in tonight's vote.

Are you serious? That's great if true.

The vote tonight is just to bring the bill up for DEBATE. That's all. Long way to go, and before its over, they have to fight out a million amendments and stupid lies from the Republicans.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

and stupid lies from the Republicans.

Absolute garbage. And if they pass a worthless bill that screws up what tens of millions of Americans already have, there are going to be alot of very angry citizens, and that includes me.

It is very bad news it has gotten this far, with the lies of Democrats running rampant.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Why are you so willing to put your admittedly layman level knowledge against theirs?

Because a law degree does not bestow upon the human brain a greater sense of common sense, in fact how much common sense does Congress have in total, and most of them are lawyers. Look at the total absolute mess that has been created in this country by lawyers in regard to overspending and lots of other problems either created or unsolved, not the least of which we have now on our hands with Obama. And besides, your argument that Bush lawyers agree with this does not hold water, perhaps a few, but face it, the Bush administration had these guys in Gitmo, for a reason, not the least of which the preponderence of legal opinion in that administration was that these people do not deserve the rights to a civilian court, and not only that there are a bunch of other reasons it was not advisable to place these people in civilian courts to be tried.

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@okie,

And, alas, we are the ones who put them into office to screw up everything. What does that say about "us?"

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@teenyboone,

No, I dont dispute what the judge said.
But you are adding your own words to what the judge said, and that is what I am objecting to.

You said...

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He said it was the Corp. of Engineers decades of neglect, not for lack of funds.

Note the use of the word...decades.
FYI, a decade is 10 years.
So, it was going on for more then 10 years, according to the judge.

Then you added...

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Keep trying to excuse Bush, but failure begins at the top! It happened on HIS watch.

So, you ARE blaming Bush for what happened long before he became President.
Now, I have never said, nor will I say, that the federal respo0nse to Katrina was good or timely.
We all know it wasnt.

But, for you to blame Bush when the problems began long before he became President is wrong.

And BTW, you did accuse the govt of racism in regards to how they responded.

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@snood,

The problem with the stupid lies being perpetrated by the republicans is that so many Americans believe they are true. Unfortunately, not all democrats are telling the truth about UHC; many have received (huge) donations from the health insurance industry.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Unfortunately, not all democrats are telling the truth about UHC;

So then it would be fair to say the problem with the stupid lies being perpetrated by the democrats is that so many Americans believe they are true.

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If we could see a Reduced Shakespeare summary of Obama’s presidency so far, it would read:

Dither, dither, speech. Foreign trip, bow, reassure. Seminar, summit. Shoot a jump shot with the guys, throw out the first pitch in mom jeans. Compromise, concede, close the deal. Dither, dither, water down, news conference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/opinion/22dowd.html

OUCH!

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@hawkeye10,

I think Dowd has it spot on! Obama does not have charisma, nor the ability to move people with his speeches; it's just intellectual without much to grasp. Reagan knew how to communicate; Obama communicates, but doesn't know how it should be done.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Mr. Obama was elected for similar reasons. People had hoped that his unique story, personality and speaking skills could bring the country together, overcome paralysis and deliver nation-building at home. A lot of the disappointment settling in among Obama voters today is prompted by their dawning realization that maybe, like Arnold, he can’t.

China’s leaders, using authoritarian means, still can. They don’t have to always settle for suboptimal. So what do we do?

The standard answer is that we need better leaders. The real answer is that we need better citizens. We need citizens who will convey to their leaders that they are ready to sacrifice, even pay, yes, higher taxes, and will not punish politicians who ask them to do the hard things. Otherwise, folks, we’re in trouble. A great power that can only produce suboptimal responses to its biggest challenges will, in time, fade from being a great power " no matter how much imagination it generates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/opinion/22friedman.html

FRIEDMAN is right too though......

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I listen to the right arguing against health reform and I hear a flood of lies that is beyond anything I have ever heard. For instance, they always point to cuts in Medicare as being devastating to participants. This is an outright lie. A huge saving would obtain when Medicare Advantage is eliminated. MA is sometimes as much as 150% for expensive, with this excess being picked up by the taxpayer. Also, for example, power chairs have gone up over 300 % in cost since 1997, which is totally unjustified. These are just a few of the items that need to be fixed, which will effect major savings.

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@Advocate,

There are many ways for our health care system to save billions; a) inventory control, b) unnecessary testing, c) fraud, d) overpayment for products/services, and e) efficiency (computerize health information).

Unfortunately, the current legislation now under debate has none of these savings included in them.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There are many ways for our health care system to save billions; a) inventory control, b) unnecessary testing, c) fraud, d) overpayment for products/services, and e) efficiency (computerize health information).

Unfortunately, the current legislation now under debate has none of these savings included in them.

How do you know this? Did you read the entire bill? I heard otherwise.

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