cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 13 Sep, 2009 03:42 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DTOM, As long as our country has products that are harmful to our citizens, there will always be consumers to buy them. I remember when I was in the military, I used to drink a coke (with peanuts) almost every day. I didn't stop there, I started smoking a drinking while in the service. Many remain addicted after they leave service, and some even die from their use.
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okie
 
  0  
Mon 14 Sep, 2009 09:55 pm
Just a note here in regard to Obama and ACORN. This is going to be interesting to see as more information trickles out. Does any0ne know all the tentacles, all the front groups, all the grants, all the ways, all the money and where it has all come from and where it has gone? This would take an army of investigators to unravel this can of worms, no doubt. What is fairly sure is that millions, tens of milions, hundreds of millions, perhaps billions may be involved, especially if all the avenues of funds in the stimulus package could or would ever be executed without hindrance or investigation. Where are all the plane loads of investigators that flew to Alaska? Are they still around or did they simply disappear into thin air?
revel
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 07:17 am
@okie,
Considering states with conservative republican governors and congressmen and women received money from the stimulus package, as usual okie, you are full delusional crap. They could hardly loudly claim they were turning down something they never would have gotten in the first place. Whats more they have taken credit for good some of the money did do in their states.






GOP lawmakers tout projects in the stimulus bill they opposed

I have left links of other conservative lawmakers who have done the same.

Some money might have went towards liberal projects but I don't know what else a person would expect when you have a liberal president with a majority liberal congress. That is no proof of a quid pro qua, but merely the way our system works. As others have said, liberals and democrats had to put with a conservative agenda for eight years because we had a conservative president and a conservative congress for six years. (the other two, the democrats were essentially useless in passing anything Bush didn't like)
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 08:03 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
I find it interesting you group communists, socialists, and fascists together as idealogies that opposed capitalism. On another thread (What Produces Ruthless Dictators), I have been ridiculed repeatedly by many, even some like George OB and High Seas that I respect, for claiming that nazism and fascism are left wing idealogies.

Good lord. Are you really unable to distinguish an economic system from a political system?

Further, let's say that fires from both California and Florida threaten Nebraska. I suppose you'd send all of your firefighters West?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 09:47 am
@okie,
As usual, your imagination runs wild, and you get an orgasm with each incident you can conjure up in your futile mind. You can't see the forest for the trees, and think the issues you bring up has any import while our economy struggles to survive.
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okie
 
  0  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 10:18 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

okie wrote:
I find it interesting you group communists, socialists, and fascists together as idealogies that opposed capitalism. On another thread (What Produces Ruthless Dictators), I have been ridiculed repeatedly by many, even some like George OB and High Seas that I respect, for claiming that nazism and fascism are left wing idealogies.

Good lord. Are you really unable to distinguish an economic system from a political system?

They aren't related? Pretty closely related?

Quote:
Further, let's say that fires from both California and Florida threaten Nebraska. I suppose you'd send all of your firefighters West?

Huh?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 12:24 pm
@okie,
Huh? is how most people respond to your posts, okie. LOL
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 01:45 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

okie wrote:
I find it interesting you group communists, socialists, and fascists together as idealogies that opposed capitalism. On another thread (What Produces Ruthless Dictators), I have been ridiculed repeatedly by many, even some like George OB and High Seas that I respect, for claiming that nazism and fascism are left wing idealogies.

Good lord. Are you really unable to distinguish an economic system from a political system?

They aren't related? Pretty closely related?

Can you describe how they're related?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 02:35 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad, I believe this is where the hammer hits the head! I would also like to see okie relate the two. Maybe, he's going to relate apples and peanuts.
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 03:38 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Good afternoon. Every couple of weeks since the 1st of March, I have been posting polling results on President Obama's approval ratings as gathered by the polltaker Rasmussen. Here is the latest update:
The 1st set of numbers is the % of respondents who STRONGLY APPROVE of Mr Obama's performance vs the % who STRONGLY DISAPPROVE. The 2nd number is the index obtained by subtracting the DISAPPROVE from the APPROVE. The 3rd set is the % of folks who APPROVE vs DISAPPROVE, dropping the word "STRONGLY."

3/1/09: (38%-30%) = +8 (58%-40%)
3/15/09: (37%-31%) = +6 (56%-43%)
4/1/09: (37%-29%) = +5 (56%-44%)
4/14/09: (35%-32%) = +3 (55%-44%)
5/2/09: (33%-32%) = +1 (54%-45%)
5/16/09: (34%-30%) = +4 (56%-43%)
5/31/09: (36%-26%) = +10 (58%-41%)
6/16/09: (36%-32%) = +4 (56%-43% )
6/30/09: (31%-33%) = -2 (54%-46%)
7/15/09: (29%-36%) = -7 (52%-47%)
7/31/09: (28%-39%) = -11 (48%-51%)
8/17/09: (33%-40%) = -7 (49%-50%)
8/31/09: (30%-41%) = -11 (46%-53%)
9/15/09: (34%-38%) = -4 (50%-50%)

8/23 was the bleakest for Mr Obama in terms of the index:
27% - 41% = -14
Mr Obama got a good bounce - personally - from his Wednesday night speech. His health care plan did also, but in the past day or so things are slipping a bit. Support for the health care thing is 45% in favor and 52% opposed.
56% of respondents primarily blame President Bush for the economic situation we are in today. 37% fault Mr Obama.
roger
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 04:47 pm
@realjohnboy,
I didn't note the numbers, but retail sales were up by a significant percentage in August, compared to August a year ago. August of last year wasn't that hot, either, but better up than down. Maybe consumer spending is going to fall in line with consumer confidence, after all. I hope there is more to the numbers that cash-for-clunkers rebates.
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 04:51 pm
I watched Mr Obama's speech in Ohio this afternoon. It was on the red button on Sky News. Fourth one along the top line.

He really is a very good politician. If he shows evens for re-election get the house on.
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 05:06 pm
@roger,
Retail sales were up 2.7% in August after falling .2% in July. But you have to strip out auto sales (due to the clunkers program) and gasoline sales (due to a 5.1% price increase in August). That brings it down to a mere .6% increase, but the most in 6 months. There are a couple of other flukes: a later than usual start to the school year shifted some July sales into August. Sales tax holidays in some states took place in August vs July.
All in all, good, but nothing to get excited about.
Kroger and Best Buy reported not so good numbers, by the way.
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 05:56 pm
@realjohnboy,
If the start to the school year could be shifted to October it would be boost to the Presiden't chances in a November election.
roger
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 05:59 pm
@realjohnboy,
Dang. I'm glad I don't do direct investment. I would have bet heavily on Kroger. Best buy sounded well positioned, too, in the wake of the Circuit City failure.
roger
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 06:00 pm
@spendius,
Just hold that thought for another three years, spendius.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 06:52 pm
@roger,
roger, You're smart for not doing "direct investments." The old addage, don't put all your eggs in one basket, holds true for all investors.
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 07:43 pm
@roger,
I would be cautious, Roger, about comparing a current month's sales for any retailer over the same month a year ago. The sh*t hit the fan for many of us starting last fall. The Comps (sales in, say October, 2009, vs October, 2008) will be up and these clowns will claim to be retail geniuses. But it is a pretty low bar to hurdle.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Sep, 2009 07:50 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yup, October 2008 was when the financial markets crashed after the huge drops in the market the month before. Everything came to a standstill - world-wide.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 17 Sep, 2009 08:36 am
Another example of Obama compromising national security, and I predict this will at some point come back to haunt us, and perhaps many other nations and people around the world. Letting down allies is not the way to go, Obama. And not the way to protect us.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/17/shelve-nuclear-missile-shield-europe/

"The Pentagon confirmed Thursday that it has made a "major adjustment" to plans for a missile defense system in eastern Europe, after a U.S. ally said the Obama administration is shelving the system altogether.

....

Jiri Pere, a long-time aide to former Czech Republic President Vaclav Havel, told FOX News that Havel and other Czech politicians are "let down""

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/img/091709P_iranmissile.jpg
 

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