Obama '08?

okie wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

So, okie, you seem to be concerned about the possibility of a parallel military that is not under the same command and control as the US military and that might not be loyal to the US but rather some political faction or person. I wonder how you feel about Blackwater.

I have not studied Blackwater. Isn't it a civilian security contractor to do work for us in foreign countries? Good grief, whats the problem? Even here in this country, there are many security firms that contract with for example shopping malls, to protect their private property. That is worlds apart from some kind of government civilian security force.

It's a security force made up of US and foreign mercenaries who operated in Iraq as soldiers with an immunity our soldiers are not afforded. It owns weapons, airplanes, armored vehicles, helicopters, and even a ship. It is run by a highly ideological right-wing Christianist. Unlike our own military, they could be deployed against US citizens. Scary to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA

FreeDuck wrote:

okie wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

So, okie, you seem to be concerned about the possibility of a parallel military that is not under the same command and control as the US military and that might not be loyal to the US but rather some political faction or person. I wonder how you feel about Blackwater.

I have not studied Blackwater. Isn't it a civilian security contractor to do work for us in foreign countries? Good grief, whats the problem? Even here in this country, there are many security firms that contract with for example shopping malls, to protect their private property. That is worlds apart from some kind of government civilian security force.

It's a security force made up of US and foreign mercenaries who operated in Iraq as soldiers with an immunity our soldiers are not afforded. It owns weapons, airplanes, armored vehicles, helicopters, and even a ship. It is run by a highly ideological right-wing Christianist. Unlike our own military, they could be deployed against US citizens. Scary to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA

Run by idealogical right wing Christianists? What is a Christianist? And you have any evidence at all? And so if the people that own the company belong to a religion, I am not aware that breaks any laws.

Any evidence they can be deployed against us? Or did you just make this all up? No, this is not scary, unless you have a guy like Obama that cannot be trusted and he decides to try to use something like this.

Tens of thousands of Hurricane Katrina victims remain without homes. The environment is devastated. People are disenfranchised. Financial resources, desperate residents are told, are scarce. But at least New Orleans has a Wal-Mart parking lot serving as a FEMA Disaster Recovery Center with perhaps the tightest security of any parking lot in the world. That's thanks to the more than $30 million Washington has shelled out to the Blackwater USA security firm since its men deployed after Katrina hit. Under contract with the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Federal Protective Service, Blackwater's men are ostensibly protecting federal reconstruction projects for FEMA. Documents show that the government paid Blackwater $950 a day for each of its guards in the area. Interviewed by The Nation last September, several of the company's guards stationed in New Orleans said they were being paid $350 a day. That would have left Blackwater with $600 per man, per day to cover lodging, ammo, other overhead--and profits.

Prince's father co-founded the Family Research Council with Gary Bauer.[13] Prince is the brother of Betsy DeVos, a former chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party and wife of former Alticor (Amway) president and Gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos[11], son of Richard DeVos, Sr. (listed by Forbes in 2007 as one of the world's richest men, with a net worth of $2.4 billion).[14]

Prince serves as vice president of the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation. Salon reports that "between July 2003 and July 2006, the foundation gave at least $670,000 to the Family Research Council, which his family founded, and $531,000 to Focus on the Family"[16] headed by James Dobson. The foundation is also a major donor to Calvin College[17], a Christian institution in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Prince also serves as a board member of Christian Freedom International, a non-profit group with a mission of helping "Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ."
Since 1998, Prince has personally donated over $200, 000 to Republican causes.[18][19][20] Prince is a donor, along with others to the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian legal group.[21] Prince had also contributed money to the Green Party of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, though this has been interpreted as an unsuccessful attempt to help Republican candidate Rick Santorum in his race against Democratic challenger Bob Casey.

He was an intern in the White House under President George H. W. Bush[10] and subsequently criticized that administration's policies to the Grand Rapids Press, saying: "I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with"homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act, those kinds of bills."[6] He also served as an intern to California Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher. While at Hillsdale, Prince campaigned for presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, and interned at his father's co-founded Gary Bauer's Family Research Council

Prince has been a steady contributor to the Republican National Committee, giving more than $200,000 since 1998. He also has supported various conservative candidates, including President Bush, Sens. Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Rick Santorum (R-PA), Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), and indicted former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX).

Christianist is to Christians what Islamist is to Muslims.

You can read all kinds of info on Erik Prince from all sorts of sources. Whether or not you believe as I do that he is a Christian extremist, you (okie) should admit that if this were someone closely tied to Democrats you would be crying foul.

Here's a good start: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1914822,00.html

Thanks, but from the link...

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The idea is that unethical or illegal behavior by the ruling party is protected by an unspoken IOKIYAR mentality

So now, wouldnt it be IOKIYAD

So what is the conclusion? There are rich Republicans that support Republican candidates. What a surprise! Where is the interest in Leftist moguls, like George Soros?

Prince does not sound all that great, and I think there are checks and balances, remedies if you will, for a contractor that oversteps its bounds

Where is the interest in Leftist moguls, like George Soros?

okie wrote:

Where is the interest in Leftist moguls, like George Soros?

I'm interested in George Soros.

What is your problem with the spread of democracy?

well, it's pretty clear Okie distains democracy because it allows for the election (by the people) of such as Obama democrats as well as George W Bush.

You may believe alot of stuff that isn't true, dys. I think that is probably the case. As I said, if you believed in elections free of corruption, you would be opposed to groups like ACORN.

But then again, perhaps you think people are so helpless they cannot go register or vote without ACORN to help them sign up a few dozen times each? So if your idea of democracy is to vote early and vote often, no wonder you are confused.