Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 08:58 am
Interesting that Obama already is listed here (AP via Chicago Tribune, 29.12.2006, page 3)

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:47 am
Now Mrs Obama gets addressed as well ...

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... in today's Chicago Sun-Times

Quote:
To Michelle Obama: From one mom to another
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/190684,CST-NWS-obama29.article)

December 29, 2006

Should Barack Obama run? A letter writer tells his wife, Michelle: "I wonder how on earth you and your family will make this decision. ... It could well mean the word no one wants to say: 'assassination.'"


• • •

Dear Michelle Obama,

The holiday season is here, and many of us are snuggled with our families eating, opening gifts, and enjoying the love and comfort of our children and spouses.

This feeling of family must be weighing very heavily on you right now. Your husband is the man of the hour, and the whole country is waiting to see if he will run for president.

The decision is not one to be taken lightly by any family -- but the Obamas' are not any family. I don't need to tell you that, I know.

As I sit here with my two young children, I think of you often. I wonder how you weigh what could be one of the most important candidacies in American history, and what we all hold the closest. How does a family like yours decide between changing the world and risking your lives? Between making history and making a normal childhood for your daughters? Between public service and suburban bliss?

I look at my husband and my two beautiful children, and I wonder how on earth you and your family will make this decision. It would be a sacrifice, no question. Possibly the biggest sacrifice a family could make. We all know it wouldn't just be the usual pressures of the job or public life, it could very well mean the word no one wants to say but everyone is thinking: "assassination."

The ugly truth is some in America may not be ready to see a black family in the White House. The ugly truth is the decision to run for president could mean the death of your husband or family member or yourself. Is any job worth it? I don't know. There are no easy answers. Would I risk my own family to change the world? I don't know. I honestly do not know.

Here I spend my entire day thinking about how to protect my children. That is what a mother does. She protects, she teaches, she does what is best for them. Everyone else be damned, she does what is best for them. But how on earth does a mother begin to decide between what is best for her children and changing history. Very few individuals have ever had to make this decision. I don't envy them. Just thinking about what you may or may not be thinking is enough for me.

I'm sure everyone in the world is giving you advice right now. I won't presume to know enough about what you are going through to even try to give you any. What I will tell you, though, is you already have the respect of many mothers in this country.

The simple fact that I know you are weighing this decision with such intensity makes me like you and your husband even more. It confirms to me you are the type of people I think you are: smart, loving, educated, and with great common sense. Frankly, it makes me want your husband in the Oval Office even more. I'm just not sure my needs outweigh the cost to you and yours. I don't want to seem like a selfish American, but it will take something BIG to give hope to this country and those of us disheartened, disenfranchised, and just plain disgusted with the current state of affairs. Yes, I want Senator Barack Obama to be that something big. I want him to be the answer. I want to ask you to support his run in 2008. But I can't. I can't ask you to do it for me. I can't ask you to do it for the children or for the future or for the good of mankind. You are a mother, like I am a mother, and I know I can't ask that of you.

I can only wait.

Whatever you decide, the Moms, if no one else, will understand and have your back. If you make the choice to change the world, we'll be there with flags flying, and we'll remember the sacrifice your family is making for ours. If you decide to refrain from the Oval Office, we Moms will know exactly why. We will not for a moment question the protection of your family.

May you enjoy this holiday season with those you love and hold them close,

Erin Kotecki Vest
This column first appeared at huffingtonpost.com
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sozobe
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 08:28 pm
You trying to smoke me out, Walter?

No, I didn't write that, but I identify wholeheartedly. I don't seem to be as worried about assassination as some, but I definitely think it will be a sacrifice no matter what.
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snood
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 08:33 pm
sozobe wrote:
You trying to smoke me out, Walter?

No, I didn't write that, but I identify wholeheartedly. I don't seem to be as worried about assassination as some, but I definitely think it will be a sacrifice no matter what.


Hard for you to imagine people nuts enough to want to kill a black man with a chance to be president?
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sozobe
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 08:35 pm
Not particularly hard to imagine, no. For some reason I doubt it would happen, though. Not sure why, and not making any particular claims there.
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okie
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:06 pm
How come such a fear is unique to Obama? Nobody seemed to be talking about this in regard to anybody else? Surely every presidential candidate knows this risk going in. Thats what the Secret Service is for. It comes with the territory. If the fear is too overwhelming to him and family, he should just bow out now.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:24 pm
okie, seriously, do you suffer from some type of mental or learning disability?

I have this guy who e-mails me every day with proposals of marriage at my myspace site and he is obviously retarded and he communicates exactly like you do.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:40 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Interesting that Obama already is listed here (AP via Chicago Tribune, 29.12.2006, page 3)

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Wow, as if I've never explained Chicago to anyone here. What a waste of DNA.
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okie
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:51 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
okie, seriously, do you suffer from some type of mental or learning disability?

I have this guy who e-mails me every day with proposals of marriage at my myspace site and he is obviously retarded and he communicates exactly like you do.


I think my post is entirely logical and contains an important point if you have enough honesty to admit it. If you can't grasp it, I can't help it. And I don't really care if you agree with me anyway. There are some people on this forum that respect honest debate and offer engaging reasoning, even from your side of the political fence, Roxi, but I haven't found you to be one of them.

Also, I don't really care about your myspace and how many nuts are proposing to you. I will agree with you on that one, he probably is retarded.
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snood
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:41 pm
okie wrote:
How come such a fear is unique to Obama? Nobody seemed to be talking about this in regard to anybody else? Surely every presidential candidate knows this risk going in. Thats what the Secret Service is for. It comes with the territory. If the fear is too overwhelming to him and family, he should just bow out now.




You seriously don't see where a black man who some think has a chance of mounting a viable presidential candidacy would have more concern being expressed about his being possibly assassinated, than the white candidates?

Do you have to exert physical energy to remain in such a complete state of denial, or does it come effortlessly to you?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 12:09 am
cjhsa wrote:
Wow, as if I've never explained Chicago to anyone here. What a waste of DNA.


Why? That has been an Ipsos poll, published by AP, reprinted by the Tribune .... as well as some hundred other media worldwide.
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Thomas
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:51 am
okie wrote:
How come such a fear is unique to Obama? Nobody seemed to be talking about this in regard to anybody else? Surely every presidential candidate knows this risk going in. Thats what the Secret Service is for. It comes with the territory. If the fear is too overwhelming to him and family, he should just bow out now.

1) As Snood points out, he's black, and there's plenty of racists in America who might want to kill a black candidate with a chance to win.

2) Obama has more charisma than every other likely candidate. Charisma not only attracts voters, it also attracts stalkers. The outer fringes of stalkerdom are as dangerous as racists, perhaps even more. Robert F. Kennedy's assassin, as well as Ford's and Reagan's wannabe assassins were all crazy, obsessive types, not rational, cold-blooded political murderers. (Not that Ford had a lot of charisma, but I think you get the point.)
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snood
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 10:33 am
Thomas:

Quote:
1) As Snood points out, he's black, and there's plenty of racists in America who might want to kill a black candidate with a chance to win.


Thomas, does it strike you as at all odd that someone actually has to explain this to a grownup human being living in 2006?
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 01:00 pm
He will also receive attraction (good and bad) from people outside the United States. On the Orkut social community we have a forum for Obama supporters and there is quite a bit of interest in him from all around the world. The biggest debate is over whether America is ready to have a black man as president.

Another interesting observation from that forum is that many of those international fans are talking about the low percentage of voter turn out as compared to their own countries. They can't understand why so many people in such a rich country do not vote.
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bisca
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 01:34 pm
And, as a total backer of the candidacy of Barack Obama, I am sure that he would bring justice to our country. I am certain that he would work to have the oppressive laws enacted in California and,now, Michigan( which have forbidden giving chances to minorities in higher education) because he knows, as a highly talented Harvard Law School graduate, that racism still exists in the USA.
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Thomas
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:39 pm
snood wrote:
Thomas, does it strike you as at all odd that someone actually has to explain this to a grownup human being living in 2006?

Of course it does. On the other hand, the whole world seems to be full of people so odd they disagree with the most rational, well-reasoned, common sense political viewpoint there is: my own. That's why, when people ask questions that seem odd to me, I usually just answer them. I have more or less quit second-guessing people's motives for asking odd questions.
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dyslexia
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:42 pm
Thomas wrote:
snood wrote:
Thomas, does it strike you as at all odd that someone actually has to explain this to a grownup human being living in 2006?

Of course it does. On the other hand, the whole world seems to be full of people so odd they disagree with the most rational, well-reasoned, common sense political viewpoint there is: my own. That's why, when people ask questions that seem odd to me, I usually just answer them. I have more or less quit second-guessing people's motives for asking odd questions.


If you were to be stranded on a planet inhabited by giant lobster-like beings, and could only bring one type of fruit, what type would you bring?
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okie
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:45 pm
snood wrote:
okie wrote:
How come such a fear is unique to Obama? Nobody seemed to be talking about this in regard to anybody else? Surely every presidential candidate knows this risk going in. Thats what the Secret Service is for. It comes with the territory. If the fear is too overwhelming to him and family, he should just bow out now.




You seriously don't see where a black man who some think has a chance of mounting a viable presidential candidacy would have more concern being expressed about his being possibly assassinated, than the white candidates?

Do you have to exert physical energy to remain in such a complete state of denial, or does it come effortlessly to you?


Snood, yes there is racism amongst some people, but only the nut cases would carry hatred due to some prejudice they have to the point of trying to kill someone.. To be accurate, there are lots of prejudices besides racism, so it is only one motivation that some nut might have to try to kill a president, so any and every president is at risk. That is what the Secret Service is for. I do not personally think that being black necessarily places any president at a much higher risk. We have many black folks in public office, including Condi Rice right now, and I don't hear her talking about this. I never heard Powell talk about it. I don't hear the other black office holders talking about it.

The risk of assassination is always real, but whether being black amplifies it a great deal, how do you claim to know it and to what degree? I do not vote according to race. It is sad if anyone would. We should be human beings first, Americans second, and whatever race we are should not matter a whole lot. Just my opinion. And constantly pointing out the distinction is not a healthy thing. If Obama runs on his being black, I would consider that to be another reason not to vote for him. If a white did that, I would be turned off by it. Constantly bringing up race is divisive and indicates that the candidate just cannot let go of it, and they wish to be treated special just because of it. Here again, bringing up whatever special risk might be estimated does not show a healthy attitude in my opinion. Every presidential candidate deals with security, and Obama would be no different. I think it comes more with the territory of the office rather than what race you might happen to be.
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Thomas
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 04:00 pm
dyslexia wrote:
If you were to be stranded on a planet inhabited by giant lobster-like beings, and could only bring one type of fruit, what type would you bring?

Trick question: I'd bring garlic to make the giant lobster-like beings more tasty.
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nimh
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2006 08:25 pm
okie wrote:
To be accurate, there are lots of prejudices besides racism

Yes, but none that have spurred assassinations like racism has.

okie wrote:
Surely every presidential candidate knows this risk going in. Thats what the Secret Service is for. It comes with the territory.

okie wrote:
so it is only one motivation that some nut might have to try to kill a president, so any and every president is at risk. That is what the Secret Service is for.

The Secret Service doesnt do anything until someone has been elected a party's presidential candidate. Throughout the primaries, the candidates receive no Secret Service protection whatsoever. I posted about this earlier.
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