Obama '08?

@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Right now, the goal is to stop it in its tracks so that we have time to back up, evaluate, consider, and think. We should not surrender without some enforceable terms in place to protect us. Right now there are no such enforceable terms in place. We don't have to have a 'different' plan in order to oppose one that we think is immoral, destructive, and against our values.

To quote Thomas Sowell again: "When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?"

Stop what in it's tracks, exactly?

If you are referring to the Dems in Congress and Obama, how do you propose that the Republicans stop anything? They don't have the votes in either house to do so. You can't demand 'enforceable terms,' b/c you won't get them.

Without articulating a 'different plan,' how do you expect to win any seats in the 2010 elections?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

okie wrote:

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Perhaps so. I was hoping for the best with Obama, I did not want to believe the worst, Perhaps so. I was hoping for the best with Obama, I did not want to believe the worst, but I have been forced to conclude this guy is truly a radical.

First, okie lies, then tries to justify himself by saying "... I did not want to believe the worst, but I have been forced to conclude this guy is truly a radical."

Obama's "radical" has never been articulated to any common sense degree, and the conclusions okie arrives at are all his own. Who's the radical here?

okie determined Obama was a failure before 100-days in office.

Radical? okie doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Radical - n. a person holding radical views. Fits okie to a "r."

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@Cycloptichorn,

Well for starters but not restricted to the following:

How about stopping this insane government healthcare initiative in its tracks to give the people time to learn what exactly it is that they will be getting?

How about stopping this insane attempt to spend ourselves rich in its tracks before we finish bankrupting the country?

How about stopping a 100% partisan government from controlling the outcome of the Census via use of the 100% partisan and still under investigation ACORN?

How about stopping capitulating to and ingratiating ourselves with radical, dangerous, and evil regimes while playing bully with our friends?

How about stopping the rampant government takeover and/or control of private enterprise in unprecedented proportions?

How about stopping blatant payola and patronage to the detriment of good government and fiscal integrity?

How about stopping in its tracks the onerous plans to greatly increase taxes and cost of living through really bad ideas like the current cap and trade scheme that even Warren Buffett, one of the President's biggest cheerleaders, can't stomach?

How about taking serious consideration of things like this?:

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Fannie, Freddie asked to relax condo loan rules: report
Mon Jun 22, 2009

Two U.S. Democratic lawmakers want Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to relax recently tightened standards for mortgages on new condominiums, saying they could threaten the viability of some developments and slow the housing-market recovery, the Wall Street Journal said.

In March, Fannie Mae (FNM.N)(FNM.P) said it would no longer guarantee mortgages on condos in buildings where fewer than 70 percent of the units have been sold, up from 51 percent, the paper said. Freddie Mac (FRE.P)(FRE.N) is due to implement similar policies next month, the paper said.

In a letter to the CEO's of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold "may be too onerous" and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper. . .
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE55L39120090622

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes radical, he belonged to a church based upon black liberation theology, which has Marxist roots, he listened to a pastor that ranted against whites, the rich, and Jews, and recently Wright expressed hope that Obama would not abandon his true beliefs. Obama called Wright his mentor. Obama learned his community organizing from Saul Alinsky, the radical. He is a friend to Bill Ayers, the radical bomber, and served on boards with him. Obama believes in redistribution of wealth, and has said so, and his inititatives show it. Obama has proposed a civilian national security force as powerful and well funded as the military, obviously a Nazi-like or dictator friendly idea. Obama recently calls the IG looking into his Americorp corruption as mentally unbalanced. Obama is paying off his union friends, his ACORN friends, his political supporters with money and sweet jobs. Obama has increased spending to unprecedented amounts in the history of man, with no hope of paying it back. Yes, Obama is a radical. And we need to oppose him at every turn.

Yes, Obama is a radical because he holds radical views. He won't tell you that, ci, you have to look at what he has done, and what he is doing. Because he lies to you, you cannot take what he says to you.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Well for starters but not restricted to the following:

How about stopping this insane government healthcare initiative in its tracks to give the people time to learn what exactly it is that they will be getting?

Who hasn't had time? I mean, what the hell are 'the people' doing that they can't read reports of the proposals?

You want to stop health care reform in it's tracks, period. Because if the Dems pass it, the Republicans are in big trouble electorally, and you know it. It isn't about what is good for America, it's about the Republican party staring into the abyss.

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How about stopping this insane attempt to spend ourselves rich in its tracks before we finish bankrupting the country?

Nobody is trying to spend themselves rich.

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How about stopping a 100% partisan government from controlling the outcome of the Census via use of the 100% partisan and still under investigation ACORN?

mm hmm. You have no specifcs re: how ACORN would in fact cheat on the census whatsoever, and you also fail to point out that dozens of different organizations will be assisting in the census, not just ACORN - who has not been convicted of any sort of vote tampering or any crime at all.

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How about stopping capitulating to and ingratiating ourselves with radical, dangerous, and evil regimes while playing bully with our friends?

Cute

You really think this is what we are doing? Just another Republican who doesn't understand the first thing about diplomacy, apparently.

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How about stopping the rampant government takeover and/or control of private enterprise in unprecedented proportions?

Which private enterprises has the gov't taken over - that didn't come begging to them for money? Specifically.

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How about stopping blatant payola and patronage to the detriment of good government and fiscal integrity?

Pfff, are talking about stopping Government corruption completely? Good luck with that.

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How about stopping in its tracks the onerous plans to greatly increase taxes and cost of living through really bad ideas like the current cap and trade scheme that even Warren Buffett, one of the President's biggest cheerleaders, can't stomach?

Cap-and-trade will not greatly increase either taxes or the cost of living, and I don't look to the rich for analysis of plans which will impact the rich's pocketbooks; they are inevitably biased ones.

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How about taking serious consideration of things like this?:

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Fannie, Freddie asked to relax condo loan rules: report
Mon Jun 22, 2009

Two U.S. Democratic lawmakers want Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to relax recently tightened standards for mortgages on new condominiums, saying they could threaten the viability of some developments and slow the housing-market recovery, the Wall Street Journal said.

In March, Fannie Mae (FNM.N)(FNM.P) said it would no longer guarantee mortgages on condos in buildings where fewer than 70 percent of the units have been sold, up from 51 percent, the paper said. Freddie Mac (FRE.P)(FRE.N) is due to implement similar policies next month, the paper said.

In a letter to the CEO's of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold "may be too onerous" and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper. . .
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE55L39120090622

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I don't have a problem taking stuff like that seriously.

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Well, despite the fact that you are wrong on nearly all the issues you listed, let's assume for a minute that you really believe this stuff. How exactly do you plan on getting Republicans elected in 2010 to try and stop some of it? You realize right now that you can't stop ANY of those things from happening.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

Sowell was also right that the Republicans did not win on any kind of 'plan' in 1980 or in 1994, but rather by focusing on what was wrong and expressing what they believed to be right. They did promise some immediate reform of what was wrong without promising to give anybody anything. The Republicans lost the Presidency in 1992 and the Congress in 2006 and lost again in 2008 purely because they did not practice what they preached.

The Republicans win by putting American values out there and promising to live up to them.

Democrats win by promising to be mommy, daddy, nanny, savior, and Santa Claus to the people.

Republicans won't win with a plan but with principles. Again as Thomas Sowell said, "When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?"

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@Foxfyre,

Agreed. Republicans are typically not a bunch of malcontents that want to change everything, they want to conserve what is good, and tweak that into something better. Obama won by harping on change, playing up the malcontents among us. We have the best place to live in the world, yet they want to destroy it. Go figure.

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@Foxfyre,

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/6-24-09torescueRGB20090624042020.jpg

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Report: AmeriCorps Feared IG’s Push for Further Probe into Case Involving Obama Supporter

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/gop-official-americorp-feared-igs-push-probe-case-involving-obama-supporter/

If true, its grounds for impeachment. Obstruction of justice. Abuse of power, you name it. Congress should quit wasting their time trying to find new ways of spending money and do something important, like preserving the integrity of the government, if there is anything left by now.

I have a hunch the IG might have been just tickling the tip of the iceberg, and they knew it. How many millions have been stolen with this program? I wonder?

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@okie,

Yes, but who is going to investigate it? The GOP won't get a call for investigation out of committee and do you think Eric Holder is likely to do it?

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@okie,

It's pretty amazing how Fox manages to miss much of the story.

The prosecutor, a career prosecutor and not a political appointee, in the case had already decided there would be no further probe. Everyone agreed but one person, who WAS a political appointee, who proceeded to try to go around his superiors. That person, the political appointee, was fired.

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@okie,

Yup, Bush did the most effective tweaking since the great depression. LOL

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Report: AmeriCorps Feared IG’s Push for Further Probe into Case Involving Obama Supporter

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/gop-official-americorp-feared-igs-push-probe-case-involving-obama-supporter/

If true, its grounds for impeachment. Obstruction of justice. Abuse of power, you name it. Congress should quit wasting their time trying to find new ways of spending money and do something important, like preserving the integrity of the government, if there is anything left by now.

I have a hunch the IG might have been just tickling the tip of the iceberg, and they knew it. How many millions have been stolen with this program? I wonder?

Tranlsation: Republican IG gets fired for screwing his job up in various ways. He complains he is innocent. Another Republican anonymously makes comments about this case to a Republican newspaper; this is picked up by a Republican TV station and used to attack the Prez.

And this to you, is grounds for impeachment?

I haven't forgotten the fact that you never gave two shits about investigating anything Bush did, Okie. You don't really care about the details of any of this. You'll just latch on to whatever you think will stick against Obama.

Then, when this blows over, you will blame the media for not doing their job and declare the whole Dem party corrupt and merely closing ranks to protect Obama. It's already happened inside your head. Just another chapter in the alternate reality you live in, Okie.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

"Alternate reality?" okie doesn't have any reality; he lives in his own brains that doesn't understand evidence or facts. He dreams up all the negatives that he feels justifies his dislike for Obama, but he has never provided any evidence or outside credible source for his deranged mind - except FOX news.

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This has nothing to do with President Obama. Feel free to skip over it, just as many of us skip over the posts here where A2Kers post what are, in their minds, witty and withering verbal attacks on other A2Kers.
So last week it was Sen Ensign of, I believe, AZ, tearfully admitting to an extra-marital affair. Today was Gov Sanford of SC tearfully etc. Bizarre story, that was. Earlier in the year, Spitzer in NY and John Edwards in NC.
Where does this hubris come from? I mean that seriously. These guys all had, to varying degrees, potentially bright futures ahead of them. And they blew it.
Maybe I am naive. I suspect I am naive. Maybe x% of guys and y% of women cheat on their spouses, including the same x% and y% of politicians. They just get their transgressions put into to the newspapers and get ridiculed on O'Brian or Letterman.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy, let me tell you how I feel about it. People on both sides of the aisle fall from grace because of extra curricular activity...but Sanford had the cojones to vote for Clinton's impeachment three times citing the need for "moral legitimacy".

And don't get me started about Florida's Mark Foley

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@realjohnboy,

I don't know where the hubris comes from johnboy. I don't believe that x number of guys or gals or Politicians (assuming they are something different) cheat on their spouses. I know that some do, but I don't believe it is a common occurrence among most of society who actually are in the mainstream by the sheer volume of their numbers. There have been some acknowledged infidelities and some divorces among my friends and family over the past 50 years, but these have definitely been the exception rather than the rule. Yet in some circles that we in the 'mainstream' might view as the more shallow or less centered such as, for example, Hollywood, you don't even blink when it is announced that this person broke up with that person or was seen with that other person.

With politicians it somehow seems more corrupt or sinister and less forgivable I guess. But I would prefer that we not have it on the front pages for days, weeks, months. It's bad enough that we have to live with soap operas at all without having to live with them in our elected leaders. Are there no 'normal' people left in the world?

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@panzade,

Is that what we can call a hypocrite? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

It is not just the old line about "people will be people" though that is true. Power corrupts.....we know this. Also, power is erotic, though few people are aware of this fact.

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@hawkeye10,

And I would even add that for some people power is better than sex for them.

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