sozobe
 
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Fri 22 Dec, 2006 01:21 pm
I don't want to downplay the knee-jerk reaction aspect, I know what you mean. It's more that I think it's one ingredient in the stew. I think if there were someone who had every single positive aspect that Obama does who was also white, the knee-jerkness may well come into play. As in, if his race were the only variable, sure, I think knee-jerkness would be likely to do him in. But it's not -- it's only one of many, many variables -- and I think that in that stew there is enough non-race substance that the one aspect won't necessarily be a campaign-buster.

Moreover, I think that the people who find (consciously or unconsciously) his race to be a deal-breaker would be the ones least likely to vote for him even if he were otherwise exactly the same, but white.

I wish I could find that implicit bias test back where we discussed it on A2K, there were some aspects of it that I found problematic but I don't remember right now what they were.
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Foxfyre
 
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Fri 22 Dec, 2006 01:47 pm
The late November Quinnipiac poll is kind of interesting:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=990
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blatham
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 04:47 am
Foxfyre wrote:
If you've seen the commercial, you will appreciate this:

http://media2.salemwebnetwork.com/Townhall/Car/b/20061220RZ1AP-ObamaAmerica.jpg


Gorsh. How cute.

Which commercial are you and the (townhall) cartoon alluding to here, fox. The Jessica Simpson ad for HDTV or the RNC ad with the tshirt blonde made during the Harold Ford campaign ("Harold, call me")?
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 07:52 am
Youtube came through. Here's the ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf9jaZy3pYU

It will almost certainly be in the top 10 most watched/talked about ads of the year.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 09:59 am
That cartoon sure depicts enough stereotypes: buxom blondes, a women's inability to intelligently select a candidate , white women lusting after black men, and Americans blindly buying into it.

Did I miss any?

.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 10:05 am
Butrflynet wrote:
That cartoon sure depicts enough stereotypes: buxom blondes, a women's inability to intelligently select a candidate , white women lusting after black men, and Americans blindly buying into it.

Did I miss any?

.


Hmmm. Interesting that you read all that into a harmless parody on a cute commercial. That in itself might be worth exploring? (And if that is 'buxom', then I can give Dolly Parton some serious competition.)
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 10:19 am
I've never seen the commercial so don't know what you're referring to. I got that strictly from the cartoon, nothing else. As for the relative size of the boob, I guess that is in the hands of the beholder. :wink:
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 11:00 am
RNC Ad
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snood
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 12:04 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Apology accepted.

And Merry Christmas, Snood. Smile


Thanks. You, too Foxfyre. Very Happy
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 12:07 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
I've never seen the commercial so don't know what you're referring to. I got that strictly from the cartoon, nothing else. As for the relative size of the boob, I guess that is in the hands of the beholder. :wink:


I posted a link to the ad. (On this page). I certainly won't try to compete with her body, but I do have more boobs. Smile

(The RNC ad is in no way comparable or relative to this by the way.)
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 02:28 pm
I saw the links, appreciate your posting them. I'm on dial-up and unable to view them. Most videos end up being very slow moving snapshots where I see a frame from the beginning, middle and end, and none of the ones between.

I'd still be noticing the stereotypes in the cartoon, though. Yes, I understand it is supposed to be a parody of a TV ad, I just don't think it was a very well done. But, thanks for posting it. I mostly watch PBS if I watch TV, and don't have cable so I probably would not have known about it if you hadn't.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 02:34 pm
If you wait till file is finished, and then play it again, it should play normally.
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Dartagnan
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 02:44 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
That cartoon sure depicts enough stereotypes: buxom blondes, a women's inability to intelligently select a candidate , white women lusting after black men, and Americans blindly buying into it.

Did I miss any?

.


Hmmm. Interesting that you read all that into a harmless parody on a cute commercial. That in itself might be worth exploring? (And if that is 'buxom', then I can give Dolly Parton some serious competition.)


The word "disingenuous" doesn't begin to describe your comment, Foxfyre...
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xingu
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 03:39 pm
The Research 2000 Iowa Poll results from Dec 18-20, 2006.

Iowa Dem R2K
Edwards/Obama 22
Vilsack 12
Clinton 10

Iowa GOP R2K
McCain 27
Giuliani 26
Romney 9

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/

http://www.kcci.com/download/2006/1221/10584929.pdf
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sozobe
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 03:45 pm
Does the slash with Edwards/ Obama indicate that they both poll at 22%, or that an Edwards/ Obama ticket polls at 22%? (I'm assuming the former.)

Very interesting about Hillary's ranking there! Finally! I know Iowa would likely be skewed because of Vilsack, but still, nice to see Edwards and Obama at the top.

Thanks for posting.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 04:17 pm
By my estimation; Edwards is the current man to beat (though he who pretends to channel a dead baby for profit; shouldn't be too tough to illustrate as scum). Hill will continue to loose ground as Obama continues to gain it. For a comprehensive collection of recent polls; Click Here.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 04:29 pm
Dartagnan wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
That cartoon sure depicts enough stereotypes: buxom blondes, a women's inability to intelligently select a candidate , white women lusting after black men, and Americans blindly buying into it.

Did I miss any?

.


Hmmm. Interesting that you read all that into a harmless parody on a cute commercial. That in itself might be worth exploring? (And if that is 'buxom', then I can give Dolly Parton some serious competition.)


The word "disingenuous" doesn't begin to describe your comment, Foxfyre...


I certainly hope not D as my comment wasn't the least bit disingenuous.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 05:10 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
I saw the links, appreciate your posting them. I'm on dial-up and unable to view them. Most videos end up being very slow moving snapshots where I see a frame from the beginning, middle and end, and none of the ones between.

I'd still be noticing the stereotypes in the cartoon, though. Yes, I understand it is supposed to be a parody of a TV ad, I just don't think it was a very well done. But, thanks for posting it. I mostly watch PBS if I watch TV, and don't have cable so I probably would not have known about it if you hadn't.


I hope you can watch the ad using Bill's suggestion. It really does explain where they're coming from in the cartoon and they aren't sterotyping anything but the character in the ad and it is well done--not mean at all. There is a lot of discussion out there about whether Obama is still an 'unknown quantity' and that of course is what the cartoon is illustrating while I presume the dollars raining down are symbolic of high favorability.

I watch very little TV myself. I generally catch the news on two or three channels very early morning and after that mostly limit watching to certain sporting events, an occasional movie, and American Idol. (I know, I know, but it can be irrisistible.)

But I do read a LOT of different news sources and most commentary generally suggests that the American public who are paying any attention at all have not focused on much other than Obama's likability factor at this point. I don't think that's all that unusual either as most don't seem to have focused on the actual issues re much of anybody yet.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 23 Dec, 2006 07:46 pm
Don't know if these have been posted yet in this thread.

If you want to know more about Obama:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://www.barackobama.com

Learn about his campaign contributors and personal finances here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/indus.asp?cycle=2006&cid=N00009638
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blatham
 
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Sun 24 Dec, 2006 05:38 am
foxfyre suggests the Simpson ad is innocent and that it isn't at all like the earlier "Harold, call me" RNC ad. Which begs the question...what was wrong or inappropriate about that RNC ad, fox, that this one avoids?


Here's a quote from Lawrence Tribe that reflects my understanding of Obama's potential to lift American politics and discourse above the divisive and malicious...
Quote:
"He brings to politics a desire to find common ground, which makes it impossible to predict exactly how he would line up on various people's litmus test issues," said Laurence Tribe, a liberal scholar at Harvard Law School who once employed Mr. Obama as a research assistant. "I think he comes at things in a way that is perpendicular to the usual left-right axis."
NYT
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