Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:04 pm
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

There are less of them?

Sure, if you lower the bar.


Do you have evidence the bar was lowered, or is this just an assertion?

Cycloptichorn
Advocate
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:10 pm
There was no $10 T spent on poverty. I have noticed in the past that the right, in inflating the amount of money, will include such things as social security, Medicare, etc. Even with that, there was no $10 T spent.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,


I think Cyclotroll needs to define what "poor" is in this country.
What qualifies a citizen as poor in the eyes of our government?
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parados
 
  6  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:22 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
With that much money spent, they should all be living in mansions and being sported around in stretch limos.


When you make comments like that Fox, I really have to wonder what you know about schooling when you can't do simple algebra.

The $10 trillion dollars is over the 40 years of the war on poverty.
Even if there was only 1 million people in poverty over that time period, it would mean they would have only received $1 million each over a 40 year period. Someone making $50,000 a year would need only 20 years to make $1 million. I don't know of anyone making $50,000 that lives in a mansion and sports around in a stretch limo. Do you Fox?

But then when you look at the actual poverty numbers. 9.8% of the families out of 112 million families means that almost 11 million families were in poverty.

Wow.. Less than $5,000 a year and they should be living in mansions and have stretch limos. You sure do spin some lovely nonsense Fox. I think the $4,000 spent on your schooling in the 50's wasn't enough. I wonder if $8,000 would have helped you learn algebra and critical thinking.
Foxfyre
 
  -4  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:39 pm
@parados,
When you nitpick to that extent Parados, I just sigh and accept it that you are again missing the entire point.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:39 pm
Let's say that tomorrow, all the money in the US was evenly divided between every man, woman and child. That every single person had the exact same amount of money, how long will it be before the people that were rich yesterday were once again rich and the people that were poor yesterday would be poor again? I'd give it less then 5 years.

Rich people are rich for a reason, same as poor people are poor for a reason. Sure, not all people will have the same exact reason, but they will find themselves in the zone they know. No amount of education or shifting of dollars from the rich to the poor will change that. The poor people will spend their money, play their console games on their new big screen TV's while drinking and smoking their money away while the rich will save it and work their butts off becoming wealthy again.

This is why I am against wealth distribution in any form. Most people have no idea what to do with their money. They waste it like it means nothing to them. It just doesn't work.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:43 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

When you nitpick to that extent Parados, I just sigh and accept it that you are again missing the entire point.


Pointing out that someone is off by a factor of about a thousand isn't nitpicking - it's disproving your argument. Though I understand you can't admit that.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:47 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:

Rich people are rich for a reason, same as poor people are poor for a reason.


Usually, because of the money their parents had. It's actually the same reason.

I love the 'poor people deserve to be poor' attitude, it's so classic conservatism of you!

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
  2  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Rich people are rich for a reason, same as poor people are poor for a reason.


Usually, because of the money their parents had. It's actually the same reason.

I love the 'poor people deserve to be poor' attitude, it's so classic conservatism of you!

Cycloptichorn


what is that you built there, a straw man?

I did not say or infer that "poor people deserve to be poor". Read it again and let the words work there way through the liberal blockade you've built.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 01:54 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Usually, because of the money their parents had. It's actually the same reason.

Cycloptichorn


here are the 20 wealthiest people in America.

The 20 Richest Americans

1. William Gates III
2. Warren Buffett
3. Lawrence Ellison
4. Jim Walton
5. S Robson Walton
6. Alice Walton
7. Christy Walton & Family
8. Michael Bloomberg
9. Charles Koch
10. David Koch
11. Michael Dell
12. Paul Allen
13. Sergey Brin
14. Larry Page
15. Sheldon Adelson
16. Steven Ballmer
17. Abigail Johnson
18. Jack Taylor & Family
19. Anne Cox Chambers
20. Donald Bren

Which ones are wealthy because their parents were? I would guess a few of the Walton's, but I would still call them new money as Dad just recently became super-wealthy.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 02:04 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Which ones are wealthy because their parents were? I would guess a few of the Walton's, but I would still call them new money as Dad just recently became super-wealthy.


Well, with some it were the grandparents, not the parents.

At least, according to the original Forbes list.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 02:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That would be from 2007. the top 20 has changed since.

I am hardly doubting that many, many wealthy people have inherited their wealth. But, I doubt if more then 50% have. I am sure there is a list that may show that somewhere, perhaps you could find it?
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 02:16 pm
quick google search returned:

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Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited, Their Wealth

By Flexo on Friday, April 18, 2008 in People

When I first read The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas Stanley and William Danko, it didn’t inspire me. It’s not that I disagreed with the authors, but I found the book uninteresting. It was one of the first financial books I read after beginning Consumerism Commentary, and it came highly recommended from readers here and participants in The Motley Fool’s community.

Without getting too much into my problems with the book, I will say that the idea that a “millionaire” is more likely to be your local business owner rather than someone born into a family of money was new to me.

Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working.”

Here are some interesting statistics I pulled from an article discussing the survey results.

* 36% of earners and 27% of heirs are concerned about an economic recession.
* 77% of earners and 67% of heirs believe they have a lot of control of their financial future.
* 39% of earners and 21% of heirs are moderate or risky investors.
* 75% of earners and 50% of heirs have less stress thanks to their wealth.
* 51% of earners and 33% of heirs believe their wealth has led to increases of happiness.
* Heirs are twice as likely to believe that their wealth causes more problems that it solves.
* 37% of earners and 25% of heirs believe that luck played a major role in their financial success.

For me, the choice is clear. There is only one option if I want to find myself with $500,000 of investible assets: earn rather than inherit.
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McGentrix
 
  2  
Tue 19 May, 2009 02:25 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Another good article can be found on MSN.

Interviews show that only a minority of the nation's top 1% inherited their wealth or made it in the stock market. Most said they simply had a dream and were willing to take risks in pursuing it.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 02:31 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

So I'm not exactly speaking from a vacuum here either.


i forgot to include my ma finished her career in education as the state director for her department. also, her first career was as a buyer for both the federated and consolidated retail corporations.

she was quite the conservative, you guys would probably have gotten along well. except maybe on edu, since some of my thoughts are based on her experiences.

but that's it for me with you on this subject i guess.
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Advocate
 
  0  
Tue 19 May, 2009 04:20 pm
@McGentrix,
I gather you are in favor of even bigger tax benefits for the rich. Their income and wealth are already wildly disparate to that of the masses in the country, but this is not sufficient for you. Don't be surprised when people rise up against the plutocracy as they did in Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc.
Advocate
 
  0  
Tue 19 May, 2009 04:24 pm
There are many heirs with fabulous income and wealth. Look up the Rockefellers, Mellons, Waltons, Hiltons, Kennedys, Bushes, et al.
roger
 
  2  
Tue 19 May, 2009 04:28 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

I gather you are in favor of even bigger tax benefits for the rich. Their income and wealth are already wildly disparate to that of the masses in the country, but this is not sufficient for you. Don't be surprised when people rise up against the plutocracy as they did in Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc.


Cuba, Venezuela, Russia. . . Well, we have differing ideas of good government.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 04:33 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

There are many heirs with fabulous income and wealth. Look up the Rockefellers, Mellons, Waltons, Hiltons, Kennedys, Bushes, et al.


mellon-scaife
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Tue 19 May, 2009 04:44 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Let's say that tomorrow, all the money in the US was evenly divided between every man, woman and child. That every single person had the exact same amount of money, how long will it be before the people that were rich yesterday were once again rich and the people that were poor yesterday would be poor again? I'd give it less then 5 years.

Rich people are rich for a reason, same as poor people are poor for a reason. Sure, not all people will have the same exact reason, but they will find themselves in the zone they know. No amount of education or shifting of dollars from the rich to the poor will change that. The poor people will spend their money, play their console games on their new big screen TV's while drinking and smoking their money away while the rich will save it and work their butts off becoming wealthy again.

This is why I am against wealth distribution in any form. Most people have no idea what to do with their money. They waste it like it means nothing to them. It just doesn't work.


While I think history would support your theory as reasonable, are you SURE you want that to be your reason to be against wealth distribution? I rather look at the Founders' attitude toward legally/ethically acquired property as an unalienable right not to be violated. While we consent as part of the social contract to necessary shared responsibilities for the common good--not the good of the special interest or not the good of the individual or not to make the politician look good but the common good--it is against everything the Constitution is based on to presume authority to confiscate what Citizen A legally/ethically acquired and give it to Citizen B for Citizen B's personal use. Once we give government that kind of power, we have no protection of any kind against a government gone bad.
 

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