Obama '08?

@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Better than every single person the Republican party put forward. He beat your best, and not by a little bit. So if you think he is incompetent, what does that say about your group of losers?

Cycloptichorn

It may mean that voters chose the wrong guy. Our guy was not the messiah, only a flawed politician, but he at least had some realistic goals. He would not have proposed the nonsensical spending, that even Obama says is unsustainable now, and we might have some realistic policies in regard to energy (get going on nuclear for example), and all the other issues.

Just because somebody gets elected means nothing about their competence. It means hype and hyperbole won over sanity.

Right, right. Yaknow, the word for your opinion is 'sour grapes.' In politics, if you can't get people to buy into your plans, even if they are good ones, you are a shitty politician. McCain is a shitty politician. He got elected using a bunch of money from his wife's family and has coasted ever since then on his military record as a POW. If his plans were so much better, and his judgment better, why couldn't he transmit that to the American populace?

As for your individual points,

McCain would not have let Wall street and the auto companies fail without bailing them out, and you're a damn fool if you really believe he would have.

Nuclear is a viable way to go, but even you understand that it would take 5-10 years to construct just a few nuke plants, let alone a lot of them. It isn't a silver bullet which will magically solve our problems.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Some claim our recession is easing:

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U.S. CPI, production data point to easing recession
U.S. consumer prices were unchanged last month and industrial output declined at a slower pace, reports showed on Friday, providing more evidence that the worst phase of the recession may be over.

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@cicerone imposter,

This brief uptick in the economy is happening because Obama
and his press finally stopped pontificating gloom and doom.

Don't be fooled by the quiet before the storm though...

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@cicerone imposter,

Sorry, he's signed into law 2009 budget proposals and stimulus plans that will have succeeded in increasing our deficit by 20% in the next year or two...not to mention any future budgets or spending plans.

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@cicerone imposter,

1 data point does not a trend make.

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@Cycloptichorn,

55,000 helped while 600,000 lose thier jobs and homes. I dont think makeing bankers richer with public money is going to help the middle class. Since 1980 every government we have elected has protected big business useing the excuse that what is good for business is good for the public. Big business ownes the presidency and congress. I wish we could hold elections every year because the only way someone like us will gain controll of our government is to throw all the politicians out of office so they cant establish those money links that seem to rule washington. We havent given Obama time acording to CI but how much more of his policies do you have to see to realize he is just another paid for politician just marginally better than Bush and the rest of the crooks in washington. We in illinois got lucky and rid ourselves of a Chicago politician only to get another governor whose office is in Chicago rather than Springfield which I used to think was the capitol. Do I think washington will ever be straighened out. Only in a neuclar reaction.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

...McCain ...If his plans were so much better, and his judgment better, why couldn't he transmit that to the American populace?

that reminds me. mccain stated numerous times that he "knew where bin laden was and how to catch him"..

what? he lost so he's not going to share that info with the rest of us?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

I was not a supporter of McCain early on, in the primaries, as most would know, but McCain would be infinitely better than what we have now, which is utter incompetence.

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@okie,

I don't know if I'd agree with any more of his policies than I do Obama's, but I know we'd at least have more grid lock than we do now, which is desparately needed right now.

Sometimes the best action is to do nothing, whether by choice, or because you can't get a bill passed, either way works for me.

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@maporsche,

I imagine you might catch McCain in a wry little grin now and then every time there is another headline re broken promises, huge spending bills, massive deficts, looming debts, etc. And he would just love to be able to tell us, "See? You could have had me."

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@DontTreadOnMe,

McCain also said he knew how to end the wars in Iraq and Afghan. Has he shared this knowledge with anyone. How did he get so many votes?

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@Advocate,

Good point! McCain's promise to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan must be top secret. LOL

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Sorry guys, can't blame everything on McCain, he isn't president. Obama woke up in January as president, and now he is supposed to be fixing everything as he promised. Lots of promises, and not much results so far, unless you count negative results.

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@Advocate,

Wow, some incompetence! In only 90 days, he has initiated a withdrawal from Iraq, major healthcare reform, a credit-card holder bill of rights, the elimination of torture, bank reform, etc. If that is incompetence, I can't wait to see competence.

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@Advocate,

I think Advocate must be reading comic books.
Of course, when he posts, he just flatulates. He never gives links or evidence.

Let's take his exaggerations one at a time---

Advocate wrote:

"He(BO) has initiated a withdrawal from Iraq"

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Sorry guys, can't blame everything on McCain, he isn't president. Obama woke up in January as president, and now he is supposed to be fixing everything as he promised. Lots of promises, and not much results so far, unless you count negative results.

Yup, I wasn't much of a McCain fan any more than you were, but I don't think he would have run the budget into as deep a ditch as President Obama has. He (McCain) was way too liberal for me on several issues, but he was mostly a fiscal conservative which Obama certainly is not.

But what McCain would or would not have accomplished in his first 120 days we'll never know because he was not given a chance to show us. And as the distance grows between the present and election day, Obama will have less and less credibility blaming stuff on George Bush. Pretty soon he will have to sink or swim on his own record.

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Obama has reneged on his promies concerning the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

After August 2010, the Administration plans to keep as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq. We will be spending$50 Billion to 2011 on the effort.

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Advocate says that OB has initiated major health care reform. Meaningless dribble until it passes. It has not passed and WILL NOT pass in its current form.

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A credit care holder bill of rights???? BO needs to have that passed by the House and Senate. Advocate does not realize that legislation is made in the House and Senate and then given to the president for his signature.

Does Advocate have a link giving the particulars on the passed bill? There has been NO bill that has passed. Advocate is delusional.

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Advocate writes that BO is responsible for the 'ELIMINATION OF TORTURE"

How? Not by closing GITMO.

On day two of his presidency, BO issued an executive order to shut down within one year the Gitmo Prison. The House( DEMOCRATIC controlled) yanked from an appropriations bill the 81 Million OB wants as a down payment to begin the process of shuttering the prison.

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