Obama '08?

And how all this discussion was started was the Obama supporters accusing those of us who were opposing various initiatives of wanting Obama to fail.

There is a big difference in wanting a wrong headed idea or initiative to fail before it can do any damage and wanting the Presidency to fail.

Foxfyre wrote:

And how all this discussion was started was the Obama supporters accusing those of us who were opposing various initiatives of wanting Obama to fail.

I think the discussion actually got started because Obama supporters accused those of you who said they wanted Obama to fail of wanting Obama to fail.

Foxfyre wrote:

There is a big difference in wanting a wrong headed idea or initiative to fail before it can do any damage and wanting the Presidency to fail.

Exactly. Therefore, saying "I want Obama to fail" without further qualifying what you mean leaves you open to legitimate criticism that you actually want the Presidency to fail.

WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday.

The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000.

This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich.

To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always.

"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."

Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1

Meanwhile, Obama really REALLY needs to hire a protocol officer or fire whoever he has in that role. After incurring considerable ridicule over the Gordon Brown fiasco with gifts of DVDs he can't use and cheesy White House gift shop gifts for the kids, Obama has now presented Queen Elizabeth with an Ipod. How lame is that? Notwithstanding that she already had one.

Where YOU are being dishonest though is in accusing anybody of saying they want Obama to fail....PERIOD. Nobody has said that. Not Rush Limbaugh. Not Sean Hannity. Not Glen Beck. Not anyone. If you put any one of our remarks within the context of the discussion, you will see the specific things that we want Obama to fail in accomplishing because we believe those things to be the wrong way to go and/or bad for the country.

$1.01 for 20 fags. And American petrol price at $2. We pay about $9 for the fags and $8 for the juice. No wonder you have no proper health care provision.

A hobo here can flop through the door of an advanced coronory unit looking pale and he will be getting a $60, 000 operation as quick as the staff can get the requisitions filled in.

How on earth does anybody stop smoking at $1 a pack considering how beneficial to brain function nicotine is and how stylish and sexy lighting a fag with a gold cigarette lighter is.

That tax is purely voluntary, Fox. As I'm sure you are aware. Nobody who doesn't want to pay it has to pay it.

Cycloptichorn

How about a tax on houses that contain more than 1,200 sq/ft per resident?

should i tell mrs h that our house is not big enough for the two of us <GRIN>

Oops, maybe not that one. That is getting a bit too close to slightly more wealthy folks. We don't want to impose too much burden on them.
Have I offended everyone? I am sorry if I have, but dogs are a lot more useful than cats, which serve no purpose.

dogs are a lot more useful than cats, which serve no purpose.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That tax is purely voluntary, Fox. As I'm sure you are aware. Nobody who doesn't want to pay it has to pay it.

Cycloptichorn

Tobacco is such an easy "sin" tax to impose.
How about an equally big voluntary tax increase on alcohol?
How about a tax on dogs and cats as pets? $10 on dogs/$20 on cats would be my idea. It would be a voluntary tax on people who wanted to have a pet.
How about a hefty (ha, ha) tax on junk food that makes people hefty? The "Candy Bar" tax. People don't "need" that stuff, so tax it and call it voluntary.
How about a tax on houses that contain more than 1,200 sq/ft per resident?
Oops, maybe not that one. That is getting a bit too close to slightly more wealthy folks. We don't want to impose too much burden on them.
Have I offended everyone? I am sorry if I have, but dogs are a lot more useful than cats, which serve no purpose.

I saw a poll once that said the majority of the people believed martians landed at Roswell. So I guess it happened? And Obama is the messiah, if a poll says so?