okie
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Mar, 2009 10:12 pm
After claiming his administration had nothing to do with the bonuses and expressing outrage, the question needs to be asked, what did Obama know and when did he kn0w it. Was this a setup? Staged? Or are these people just dumb?
And Dodd blames it on the Treasury Department. They "forced" him to put in the language. The devil made him do it. The dog ate my homework, etc. etc.
Dodd should be forced out, made to resign months ago, after Fannie and Freddie came to light. And tomorrow is too late for Geithner to resign.

I think the next question to ask, did these guys get something in return from AIG, as arranged in possible backroom talks? After all, we know Geithner and AIG go back a ways, and just how honest is Geithner? Pertinent questions, guys.

"Sen. Dodd Admits Adding Bonus Provision to Stimulus Package
Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said Wednesday the Treasury forced him to add language to the stimulus bill last month that exempted all executive bonuses made before February 11, 2009. "


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/18/sen-dodd-admits-adding-bonus-provision-stimulus-package/
okie
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Mar, 2009 10:39 pm
@okie,
I am waiting for Obama to consider what Dodd did, and the Treasury Dept., and as he promised to do, "call them out."

We should all be waiting for that. It should be fun.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 18 Mar, 2009 11:41 pm
Wow, it was just Monday that Dodd said he had nothing to do with it:

Quote:
Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) on Monday night floated the idea of taxing American International Group (AIG) bonus recipients so the government could recoup some or all of the $450 million the company is paying to employees in its financial products unit. Within hours, the idea spread to both houses of Congress, with lawmakers proposing an AIG bonus tax.

While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. The provision, now called “the Dodd Amendment” by the Obama Administration provides an “exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009” -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.

Dodd’s original amendment did not include that exemption, and the Connecticut Senator denied inserting the provision.

“I can't point a finger at someone who was responsible for putting those dates in,” Dodd told FOX. “I can tell you this much, when my language left the senate, it did not include it. When it came back, it did.”


“Because of negotiations with the Treasury Department and the bill Conferees, several modifications were made,” Dodd Spokesperson Kate Szostak in a response to FOX Business.

The provision excluding those bonus payments made it into the final version of the bill, and is law.

Separately, Sen. Dodd was AIG’s largest single recipient of campaign donations during the 2008 election cycle with $103,100, according to opensecrets.org. Also, one of AIG Financial Products’ largest offices is based in Connecticut.

“Senator Dodd was completely unaware of these AIG bonuses until he learned of them in the past few days,” wrote Szostak. To suggest that the bonuses affecting AIG had any effect on Senator Dodd’s action is categorically false.”
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/dodd-cracks-aig---time/

But now:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/03/18/aig.bonuses.congress/art.dodd.cnn.jpg
Sen. Dodd told CNN Wednesday that officials in the Treasury Department asked him to add the bonus loophole to the stimulus bill before it was passed.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/18/breaking-i-was-responsible-for-bonus-loophole-says-dodd/

I wonder what we would be seeing in the way of criticism and what adjectives might be used to describe him if Senator Dodd was say - oh - a Republican?
okie
 
  0  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 10:31 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I wonder what we would be seeing in the way of criticism and what adjectives might be used to describe him if Senator Dodd was say - oh - a Republican?

And, we can still wait for Obama to "call him out."

I don't think he has the guts to do it, Foxfyre. How many promises has he kept so far? Precious few, except his leftist garbage.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 11:03 am
@okie,
Well, the story keeps shifting day by day, but now that Dodd has shifted the blame to the Obama administration, President Obama won't have much incentive not to call him out, huh? Smile

Quote:
March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said the Obama administration asked him to insert a provision in last month’s $787 billion economic- stimulus legislation that had the effect of authorizing American International Group Inc.’s bonuses.

Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, said yesterday he agreed to modify restrictions on executive pay at companies receiving taxpayer assistance to exempt bonuses already agreed upon in contracts. He said he did so without realizing the change would benefit AIG, whose recent $165 million payment to employees has sparked a public furor.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aT_tMXRy2vDs
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 11:12 am
@Foxfyre,
There are always two sides to every coin; you can't decide which one "won" until you can confirm there's a head and a tail. Early conclusions are only for fools.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 12:37 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Well, the story keeps shifting day by day, .....


Latest, Foxfyre, Obama takes responsibility for bonuses. LOL.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idvMLOnA_jUu6j5DwVkM_K_E18Qg

"Obama takes responsibility for AIG bonus fiasco

"Listen, I'll take responsibility. I'm the president," Obama said at a "town hall" meeting in Costa Mesa, California, where his bid to sell his economic revival policies was swamped by news coverage of the bonus fiasco for a fourth day.""


I wonder if Charles Grassley will revise his request for people responsible for this "fiasco" to kill themselves? I heard also that AIG people are receiving death threats. I am thinking people are losing their marbles. The educational system has utterly failed us.

"Senator suggests AIG execs should kill themselves

IOWA CITY, Iowa " Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley suggested that AIG executives should take a Japanese approach toward accepting responsibility for the collapse of the insurance giant by resigning or killing themselves."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_go_co/grassley_aig


Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 12:52 pm
@okie,
Well, given the propensity of the ideologically fanatical to jump on stuff, that was a dumb thing for Grassley to say and thus make himself a target. Of course he didn't mean it literally. What he meant was that our executives who dishonor themselves should take their cue from the Japanese executives who 'fall on their swords' out of shame for what they have done or failed to do. In other words the Japanese accept personal responsibility and the consequences for their failures as a matter of honor.

Way too little left of honor in American politics or personal greed however.
okie
 
  0  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 08:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
Now we have Obama jetsetting around the country, including making jokes on the Jay Leno show, about his bowling ability like the special olympics. Is this guy a serious president? This is frankly embarrassing as an American. He criticizes business for being extravagant, but who has been the most extravagant candidate and president so far, from his embarrassing extravaganza in Denver at Invesco Field, to jetsetting around the country for trivial reasons, such as a townhall meeting in Ohio to ballyhoo the hiring of one or a few police officers, I forgot, but a few jobs, thats it, after a stimulus bill that is nothing but welfare programs mostly, approaching a trillion, to buy more votes. He has no shame whatsover, no conscience about his own actions, its always somebody elses fault, and the money somebody else spent or made. If I sound discouraged over this administration, you are correct.

This president is a disaster.
dyslexia
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 09:27 pm
@okie,
Okie, do you ever read your own posts? If so, are you embarrassed?
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2009 10:53 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Way too little left of honor in American politics or personal greed however.


Yeah, Squinney had a thread that had a mucho long list of Republican indicted/convicted politicans and various and sundry hangers on that showed none, that's zero, of that much vaunted MAC ideal, personal responsibility.
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:04 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Okie, do you ever read your own posts? If so, are you embarrassed?

As I said, I am embarrassed for the country. If you like a pop culture figure of a president appearing on Jay Leno, making jokes about Special Olympians, instead of a president actually working on the business of the country, then I don't suppose you would care, dys?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:14 am
@okie,
No, you really don't listen to yourself. You're just a grumpy old man. Your criticisms are not substantial ones, but partisan ones.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  0  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I am partisan, I admit to it, not ashamed, cyclops. Are you partisan?

Admit it, if Bush had made that comment, you would be all in a tizzy for sure, but I doubt Bush would have made such a comment, he would have been more caring.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:35 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I am partisan, I admit to it, not ashamed, cyclops. Are you partisan?

Admit it, if Bush had made that comment, you would be all in a tizzy for sure, but I doubt Bush would have made such a comment, he would have been more caring.


Yes, but I try to make substantial criticisms backed by logical argument; not just a never-ending stream of grumpiness.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:55 am
@dyslexia,
okie is immune to embarrassment. Thank god none of my children are that ignorant!
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:14 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

I am partisan, I admit to it, not ashamed, cyclops. Are you partisan?

Admit it, if Bush had made that comment, you would be all in a tizzy for sure, but I doubt Bush would have made such a comment, he would have been more caring.


Yes, but I try to make substantial criticisms backed by logical argument; not just a never-ending stream of grumpiness.

Cycloptichorn

We endured 8 years of "grumpiness" to the extreme, if you wish to call it "grumpiness," but it bordered on hatred for the Bush administration, to the point some lefties wondered where assassins were when they were needed, etc. Not accusing you of that, but the left was and is filled with hatred. I want no harm, nothing bad to befall Obama, I have nothing personal against him or any of his administration,but I simply oppose the stupidity of policies, and I am here to point out the inconsistencies, the embarrassments, the amateurishness, the inexperience, and the just bad policies being carried on right now. Call it grumpiness, instead it is a concern for the country I love.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:18 am
@okie,
okie, It's not "grumpiness" when there are facts to back up statements made. The only grump around here is you; you almost always make statements created from your own imagination, and without any evidence, logic or common sense.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:24 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

I am partisan, I admit to it, not ashamed, cyclops. Are you partisan?

Admit it, if Bush had made that comment, you would be all in a tizzy for sure, but I doubt Bush would have made such a comment, he would have been more caring.


Yes, but I try to make substantial criticisms backed by logical argument; not just a never-ending stream of grumpiness.

Cycloptichorn

We endured 8 years of "grumpiness" to the extreme, if you wish to call it "grumpiness," but it bordered on hatred for the Bush administration, to the point some lefties wondered where assassins were when they were needed, etc. Not accusing you of that, but the left was and is filled with hatred. I want no harm, nothing bad to befall Obama, I have nothing personal against him or any of his administration,but I simply oppose the stupidity of policies, and I am here to point out the inconsistencies, the embarrassments, the amateurishness, the inexperience, and the just bad policies being carried on right now. Call it grumpiness, instead it is a concern for the country I love.


I'd like to ask: what should he be doing differently, Okie?

And please don't give answers that basically mean 'advance Republican policies.' It's clear that Dems are not going to do that. So please be reasonable.

Cycloptichorn
dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:35 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
So please be reasonable.

Laughing
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