Obama '08?

I posted something about our exit from Iraq would be the same regardless of who got elected. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. We'll have a significant force there for the next 4 years minimum. If I'm wrong, I'll own it.

I thought of another reason why it may be a good idea to let this thread die. New people typically do not like jumping into threads with 1200 pages of history. Hell, i frequently collapse threads with more than 5 pages. The arguments have gotten a little tired here with the same group. Let's let the thread end now that it's intended purpose has been completed.

What's wrong with talking in both places? If you want a new and improved thread, take the lead and start one. We'll join you there if we feel like it. That doesn't mean that this one needs to die. There's enough to talk about for both threads.

Besides, there are already probably more threads on A2K about Obama and democrats then there are about Bush!

I just looked at the topics with an "Obama" tag. There are already 241 existing topics with an "Obama" tag.

soz

Thinking about Obama's nomination of Clinton as S of S, it seems to me that you ought not to return 50% of the money I owed you from that bet which I never sent.

There is a pretty good article here that compares Obama and Clinton on foreign policy issues. Includes links to supporting articles and covers:

Iraq
Iran
Nuclear weapons
Missile defense
Guantanamo prison
Military forces
North Korea

http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/nuclearweapons/articles/120108_obama_clinton_more_agreement_than_disagreement/

Cabinet selections:

Eric Holder a real loser.
Hillary Clinton everybody is crowing about, not me, I think another loser, but better than if it was Bill.
Robert Gates is a good selection.
Napolitano not real bad, could be alot worse, could have been better.
His economic advisors people have been praising, so maybe breathe a sigh of relief for the moment.

It is starting to look like Obama's 1st term will be GW's 3rd term

Dream on, H2OMAN!

Embrace reality and change okie, it's happening now!

I'm actually just going to say goodbye to the thread and collapse it. I don't want to dwell on 2008 anymore. I'm looking forward. This was a certainly a legacy thread.

New things now to move on to.

T
K
Oh yeah... one more thing. Kevin - you're a crybaby.

Thank you TKO, I'll join you.

At least the Republicans will be capable of filibustering whatever O boy
and his Obamabots try to shove down the throats of American tax payers.

Obamanomics and their long term negative effects on this country should
be the next big topic to replace this one.

Maybe we will need a thread titled OJB for Obama. On the job training, thats what the next 4 years will be all about. Before he can do anything, he will need to be educated. For example, talk to the commanders in Iraq, get a little educated on the war, then do what essentially Bush was doing already, just one example. Same thing with Afghanistan, national security, Gitmo, the economy, and all the rest.

okie, Are you "that" ignorant? No president goes into the white house fully prepared for all the responsibilities inherent in the job. Nobody.

What Obama brings to the presidency is intelligence; something you lack.

That has not been proven.

source

It astounds me how some people still want to play Obama cheap. As if he just tripped up the stairs and into the Presidency with no sense of what he's getting into or what to do now that he's there. We've had a nitwit for eight years. Now we don't. Be grateful.

Be grateful that we are going to have a presidential nitwit for the next 4 years.

But most of them have at least some experience. This one has little to none.

It has occurred to me this morning what may be behind the Obama administration picks. He wants as many people from all corners, especially his former foes, even somebody like Gates, so that he is not placed into the spotlight for making decisions. For a guy that trumpeted change, we may have a guy that is deathly afraid of making any decision, or perhaps for any decision made perhaps he wants somebody else to take the fall for it. Face it, he has little or no experience on which to make decisions as president. If his former foes are embedded as part of his administration, then any failures also become their failures, thus any future opposition from those people will be blunted by the fact that they are part of the same administration. It becomes difficult for them to oppose the administration that they also are a part of. Same theory with Gates, any Iraq failure of his can also be blunted by the fact that it was administered by a Bush appointee.

Obama wants credit for anything good, but for anything wrong, he will not desire to take any responsibility, and he doesn't want future opposition, so he is now neutralizing any future opposition with his appointees. This possibility at least deserves some consideration in the mix of ideas attempting to figure the guy out. Who is Obama?