Miller
 
  0  
Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:59 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:



ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL---



Then how come you're not paying any taxes, and I am?
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Miller
 
  0  
Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:00 am
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:


Republicans ... try every trick in the book to keep Blacks and Hispanics in their ghettos.


Prove it...
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:37 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

god's laws are not part of our constitution or bill of rights.


God's laws gives humanity it's bill of rights...

You're not prepared to make an argument like that. You make me laugh.

Prove it.

T
K
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 1 Oct, 2008 04:12 pm
@Miller,
I'm with you on this one! Glad to be back after surgery!
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Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 8 Oct, 2008 08:56 pm
@Miller,
The bible contains a lot of bloodshed and intolerance. All the more reason to have a tall wall separating church and state.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 09:21 am
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/10/08/bassets.jpg
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 09:25 am
Wonderful line from Hertzberg at the New Yorker...

"I think McCain is down to seeds and stems."
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 09:48 am
Goddamn! Has anyone posted this video of Donna Brazille?

http://jezebel.com/5059945/donna-brazile-is-not-going-to-the-back-of-the-bus?cpage=2&sort=asc#viewcomments
ehBeth
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:08 am
@blatham,
http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2008/10/20081009_thatone_190x190.jpg

The October Surprise
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:12 am
@ehBeth,
It seems "that one" is a cultural thing, and Michelle Obama doesn't think it's a big deal.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:14 am
@ehBeth,
Now, there's a button I want.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
I was just going to post something about Michelle Obama's interviews yesterday. I have to say I was very impressed. I've said it before - she'd be my kind of candidate.

Caucus blog - NYT - Michelle Obama dismisses criticisms

I thought she was truly excellent. She makes her husband seem like a hothead. She is soooo cool.
sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:17 am
@ehBeth,
She's fab.

I read the transcript of her interview with Larry King a bit ago. I was so impressed. Mulling a blog post out of it but so far all I have is "she's so great!!"
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:19 pm

'Rednecks for Obama' want to bridge yawning culture gap
Published: Thursday October 9, 2008
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/_Rednecks_for_Obama_want_to_bridge__10092008.html
When Barack Obama's campaign bus made a swing through Missouri in July, the unlikeliest of supporters were waiting for him -- or rather two of them, holding the banner: "Rednecks for Obama."

In backing the first African-American nominee of a major party for the US presidency, the pair are on a grassroots mission to bridge a cultural gap in the United States and help usher their preferred candidate into the White House.

Tony Viessman, 74, and Les Spencer, 60, got politically active last year when it occurred to them there must be other lower income, rural, beer-drinking, gun-loving, NASCAR race enthusiasts fed up with business as usual in Washington.

Viessman had a red, white and blue "Rednecks for Obama" banner made, and began causing a stir in Missouri, which has emerged as a key battleground in the run-up to the November 4 presidential election.

"I didn't expect it would get as much steam and attention as it's gotten," Spencer told AFP on the campus of Washington University in Saint Louis, the state's biggest city and site of last week's vice-presidential debate.

"We believe in him. He's the best person for the job," Viessman, a former state trooper from Rolla, said of Obama, who met the pair briefly on that July day in Union, Missouri.

The candidate bounded off his bus and jogged back towards a roadside crowd to shake hands with the men holding the banner.

"He said 'This is incredible'," Spencer recalled.

It's been an unexpectedly gratifying run, Viessman said.

Rednecks4obama.com claims more than 800,000 online visits. In Denver, Colorado, Viessman and Spencer drew crowds at the Democratic convention, and at Washington University last Thursday they were two of the most popular senior citizens on campus.

"I'm shocked, actually, but excited" that such a demographic would be organizing support for Obama, said student Naia Ferguson, 18, said after hamming it up for pictures behind the banner.

"When most people think 'redneck,' they think conservatives, anti-change, even anti-integration," she said. "But America's changing, breaking stereotypes."

A southern comedian, Jeff Foxworthy, defines the stereotype as a "glorious lack of sophistication".

Philistines or not, he said, most rural southerners are no longer proponents of the Old South's most abhorrent ideology -- racism -- and that workaday issues such as the economy are dominating this year's election.

"We need to build the economy from the bottom up, none of this trickle down business," Spencer said. "Just because you're white and southern don't mean you have to vote Republican."

To an important degree, however, race is still the elephant in the polling booth, experts say, and according to a recent Stanford University poll, Obama could lose six points on election day due to his color.

Racism "has softened up some, but it's still there," Viessman acknowledged from Belmont University, site of Tuesday's McCain-Obama debate in Nashville, Tennessee.

Despite representing the heartland state of Illinois, and having a more working-class upbringing than his Republican rival John McCain, Obama has struggled to shoot down the impression that he is an arugula-eating elitist.

Surely he alienated many rural voters earlier this year when the Harvard-educated senator told a fundraiser that some blue-collar voters "cling to guns or religion".

But Viessman, who says he owns a dozen guns, said Obama "ain't gonna take your guns away."

The South traditionally votes Republican -- victories for southerners Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were exceptions -- but with less than a month to election day, four states in or bordering the South are considered toss-ups: Florida, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia.

Viessman says he'd like to think his grassroots movement could sway enough people in small-town America to make a difference.

"There's lots of other rednecks for Obama too," he said. "And the ones that's not, we're trying our best to convince them."
sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:23 pm
@blueflame1,
Very cool, thanks for bringing that, blueflame.

As the campaign has worn on we keep spreading out to spin-off threads -- the debates, general election commentary, etc. I like the idea of re-activating this one as we count down to election day.

26 days to go!
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:29 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Very cool, thanks for bringing that, blueflame.

As the campaign has worn on we keep spreading out to spin-off threads -- the debates, general election commentary, etc. I like the idea of re-activating this one as we count down to election day.

26 days to go!


Great call!

GO OBAMA

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:33 pm
@sozobe,
This is very cool also http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/no_one_is_laughing_harder.html
sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:37 pm
@blueflame1,
That was hilarious!

Here's the video:

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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 07:21 pm
@blueflame1,
Being that I'm from Missouri and went to school in Rolla, I can't tell you the amusement/shock this article brings to me.

T
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kickycan
 
  1  
Thu 9 Oct, 2008 07:32 pm
SNL is doing a McCain/Obama debate spoof right now.
 

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