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Many Hispanics finding faith in Islam

 
 
herberts
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 05:04 pm
freedomcostsnuthin'....
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And where did ya find that cheap unprofessional propaganda website ?

Whats wrong with all the official Islamic and Christian websites ?


Answer: To advertise themselves to best advantage they are necessarily composed entirely of the sort of deceitful window-dressing which hides their more ugly and reprehensible political and social agendas and ambitions.

Here's another one to disabuse you of your Pollyanna fantasies about Islam being a harmless religion of Peace and Goodwill to all Mankind.

Islam Undressed....

I have four libraries within easy distance of my home - and without exception in each of these libraries all of the books on Islam have been stolen and removed by members of the local Islamic community. They see it as a religious duty to stifle all debate, critical analysis, and examination of the fundamentals and components of Islam.

These are a people who carry with them a philosophy which I do not want to see nurtured and encouraged in our Western society.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 05:22 pm
herberts

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These are a people who carry with them a philosophy which I do not want to see nurtured and encouraged in our Western society.


Why do i get a déjà vu feeling, you remind me of Hitler.

Replace the Jews with Muslims, would you be happy ?

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The Road to the Muslim Holocaust

Historically, Muslims have been at the receiving end of Western-Christian violence for centuries. Following the 9/11 attack on the USA, Western Europe joined the U.S. in its anti-Muslim crusade: "We are all Americans now" united against Muslims. Although, 9/11 stills a mystery, it is used to legitimise a new form of Western-Christian fascism. Media pundits such as Christopher Hitchens and Daniele Pipes, who support the anti-Muslim ideology, are springing up like mushrooms all over the Western world. Using the cliché of "free speech", they are fuelling a vicious and violent war against Muslims around the world.

source
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 07:06 pm
I see Godwin's law has resurfaced.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 07:31 pm
Godwin's Law
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Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage in Internet culture originated by Mike Godwin on Usenet in 1990 that states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread in which the comment was posted is over and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

It is considered poor form to raise arbitrarily such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's Law will be unsuccessful.
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herberts
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 08:47 pm
Thanks guys... http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Godwin's Law, huh?

Have you heard of Herbert's Law? It's always a contest between Godwin's Law or Herbert's Law which of these will be the reason for a thread being censored off the board.

Herbert's Law:

By the degree that a conservative opinion will be seen to diverge from the strict tenets of leftwing socialist theory and politically correct dogma - forum board administrators will feel increasingly compelled to lock-down a thread for it having become too much of a political hazard and Reality Check for those of leftwing mindset.

And you can quote me.

Is it any wonder that my standard forum avatar is this: (which cannot be set up here because, incredibly, there isn't a re-sizing tool to limit it's dimensions to 100 x 90 pixels)...

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herberts
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 09:09 pm
freedom4free... have you ever considered the bizarre irony in the fact that it's the leftwing of Western society who are Islam's most staunch and faithful allies? It's those from the left in politics and the media who are most strident in their defence of the Islamist attitudes which produced the horrors of 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London, Bali etc etc...

It's the left who are forever fashioning new rationalisations and apologist arguments to excuse the abominations of Islamist terrorism and Islamist hooliganism of the sort which burned 34,000 cars in France just recently.

And isn't it a supreme irony that the politics and the social agenda of Islam is a compendium of all that we in the West have learned to abhor and despise as being cruel and inhumane and unfair towards our fellow-man.

Ask your local imam what is the accepted Islamic orthodoxy with regard to:

- The status and role of women in society and within the marital contract.
- What punishment is fitting and appropriate for female adulterers?
- Is stoning to death a fitting punishment under Sharia Law?
- Is homosexuality an abomination which deserves 200 lashes and imprisonment as is now the case in many Islamic societies?
- Is secular democracy an abomination according to the holy text of the Koran?
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herberts
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 09:33 pm
Incidentally, freedom4free, I don't mean to spoil your comfortable leftwing delusions but did you know that Mahatma Gandhi was racially prejudiced against negroes ?

You won't find THAT on the official, mainstream websites which praise him as a demi-god and icon of the Leftwing victimhood industry.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 05:13 am
edgarblythe ; neologist :
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Godwin's Law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Old trick, Godwins Law is part of A Guide To Flaming On The Internet

People who use that technique are uneducated from the following environment :
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The motive for flaming is often not dialectic, but rather social or psychological. Sometimes, flamers are attempting to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority. Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls. Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. Finally, some consider flaming to be a great way to let off steam.


I know their type, been there done that.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 05:24 am
herberts

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- The status and role of women in society and within the marital contract.
- What punishment is fitting and appropriate for female adulterers?
- Is stoning to death a fitting punishment under Sharia Law?
- Is homosexuality an abomination which deserves 200 lashes and imprisonment as is now the case in many Islamic societies?
- Is secular democracy an abomination according to the holy text of the Koran?




Islam, Sex And The Western Left

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While differing in their responses to the west’s war on terror, read non compliant Muslim nations, right wingers, liberals and a lot of silent leftists share in varying degrees a unity in support of one its most vociferously avowed aims – the liberation of the Islamic world’s women.

Of course the notion that a society which sells everything from yoghurt to high powered precision tools by the invitation to lust after naked female flesh, is an epitome of the rights of women is perverse, however the remarkable advances, political, social and economic made by western women over the last century or so are still a benchmark in the age old struggle for sexual equality. Shorn of all high vaulting rhetoric this translates into western women no longer having to trade themselves in one form or another to guarantee the survival of their off spring and themselves. The currency of sexual interaction is no longer measured solely on the scales of male lust

Hence sexual permissiveness and its symbols, free choice of partners, the mini skirt and casual sex are largely although not solely based on the unforced consent of women, free from the taint of calculation, corruption and compulsion. The basis for this of course is the material prosperity of western societies, the extensive division of labour and advanced commodity economy requiring skills that can no longer be sensibly attributed only to the dominant sex.

But why is such liberty being increasingly rejected by not just the poor and downtrodden of the Islamic world, but also by most of its working class women, the same class who fought most eagerly for these rights in the west. For it is now clear that most ordinary women in the Islamic world are increasingly turning towards the more extreme variants of Islam and against their would-be western liberators. In Iraq’s much touted elections early this year, thousands of women in chador lined up to vote for the list most likely to keep it on them. In the Iranian election most women voted for the fundamentalist candidate shunning the pro west reformers. In Lebanon and Palestine, Hizbollah and Hamas clearly enjoy the support of most ordinary women in working class communities.

Of course this fact is not one willingly conceded by the western media and liberal commentators; For these gentlemen and ladies, horny handed hard working peasant and working class females, the overwhelming majority in these countries, are not women but statistics, in these lands the appellation “women” belong to the tiny rootless urban elite, who wear sunglasses, lipstick and look like they jumped out of the front page of Glamour.

Curiously missing from the western left’s narrative in the issue of women’s rights in the poor world has been the calamity wreaked upon it by neo liberalism over the last 20 years. While there's a lot of talk of the poverty created by the colonisation of the third world by the IMF and World Bank, it’s rarely linked to the rise of Islamic consciousness in these parts of the world.

The fact is the economic genocide perpetrated by the west on the poor world over the last two decades has generated industrial prostitution there on a scale probably unprecedented in the etire history of the human race. Faced with ruin, deafened with spurious western talk of women’s rights - from Africa to Asia, from Latin America, to “recently liberated” Eastern Europe, most women from poor families can now only survive by selling their bodies to men, mostly wealthy most pro west males, in prostitution of one form or another of varying degrees of degradation. In the third world and parts of Eastern Europe, women are now the major bread winners, feeding their families, keeping a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs, by trading their bodies for the means of survival. Imperialism and its local acolytes have turned two thirds of the planet, the home of the overwhelming majority of the world’s females to one giant brothel, underneath the blazing neon lit legend, forever flashing – “Women’s rights”.

In country’s where endemic hunger, hopeless unemployment levels, mass homelessness and limitless poverty constitute the social landscape, women are not really in a position to relax and enjoy their “rights” talk less of defend them.

Often the sole wage earner, and with previous social welfare provisions abolished by the (women rights loving world bank) they can’t really refuse the boss’s advances with 10,000 others on the job queue for their post, if the rent can’t be paid, with no public housing or housing benefit (scrapped by the IMF diktat) its not really an option to reject the landlord’s kind offer to accept payment in kind. If the kid is dying in hospital (commercialised on the advice of western experts) with unpayable fees, how many women would refuse the kind doctor’s help to forget the fee, if….. or the corrupt magistrates offer not to send a brother, a father, a child to prison on trumped up charges if the sister, wife, mother, did the necessary. This is the reality of most women in the third, Islamic and non Islamic world. It is also the reason why the daily humiliation and degradation of ordinary working class women in these countries generates especially amongst the majority poor and ruined middle classes a deep resentment against a permissiveness which the west celebrates as refreshing freedom but they can only associate with endless humiliation.

In the west a father sighting his teenage daughter going for a night out on the town, dressed in mini skirt and skimpy blouse, is generally relaxed, safe in the knowledge that any sex would most probably be a consensual conclusion to a night of fun, in the poor world, most fathers seeing their daughters similarly attired fight back tears of bitter or helpless anguish, realising she’s out to earn the family’s supper. It is this bitter despair, a reaction to the debauchery, corruption and depravity of a monstrously unjust system that hawks the children of the poor for the pleasure of the idle and criminal rich that has provoked most ordinary women and men in Islamic countries to the ascetic Puritanism of the Fundamentalists. Bullied, taunted, goaded, threatened and compelled into sex by predatory men at every turn, most of the women take refuge in a version of a religion that at least bends their knee before one, not every man. Even in the west, mini skirted girls don’t like being leered at by every man in the street; but at least they can walk away, most of their sisters in poorer places cant. Surrounded by crushing humiliation on every side, it’s not surprising they black it out by the chador.

The beneficiaries of female humiliation in these countries are the few with the resources to enslave poor women to their lust - the rich and upper middle class whose own daughters cry for “freedom” because they don’t have to pay for it with their bodies. Since the fundamentalists also target, however indirectly, the upper classes in these societies their slogans find a ready ear in the slums who supply the beds of the rich with their daughters, wives and mothers. If Cromwell’s Puritanism in debauched aristocratic England attracted the support of the oppressed poor why are we surprised that the roundheads in turbans hold the same sway in the slums of the Islamic world.

The Islamists provide welfare services while the secular corrupt rulers and their liberal “opponents” provide empty slogans. In the slums, food provided by the fundamentalists might mean the difference between prostitution and a level of dignity that all the self righteous women friendly western NGO’s do not even come close to supplying. Forcing men to at least take care of their offspring as radical Islam generally does appeals to ordinary women much more than secular divorce rights which in the third world force women and their children into the street and a life of nightmarish poverty.

Permissiveness in the west is protected by advanced but affordable medicine that has prevented the swamping of society with deadly sexual diseases. The secular third world hasn’t got these guarantees. When the women of the Islamic world look at the secular third world they see the results of freedom unsupported by the requisite development, ballooning sex transmitted diseases killing millions.

Is it not a fact that Islamist, unfree, and backward Muslim Arabia has the lowest AIDS rates in the whole world – a third of swashbuckling free South Africa is afflicted with the killer illness.

Is this a call for the Burkha, for the compulsory Hijab? No its not. To explain is not to endorse. It is simply to outline why the west’s corruption of the idea of female rights holds little appeal to those crushed under its economic heel and self serving concern.

For again let’s be blunt, if “women’s rights” are enshrined in say, Iraq today, who will be the immediate beneficiaries? Clearly the 150,000 western soldiers who would be deluged with a surplus of hungry jobless local females forced to sell their flesh to those capable of paying for its misuse - the wealthy invaders of their country.

Without a doubt ten years of such freedom would place the AIDS rate in Iraq right up there with western friendly women loving Botswana – 50%.

In the past a radical left would have mobilised these women under easily grasped, powerfully relevant slogans demanding and struggling for jobs, houses, living wages, and socialism - slogans that embarrass a lot of today’s left who prefer the anodyne, inoffensive and abstract ones of women’s rights, the environment, democracy and “freedom”.


I suggest that you read "Imperial Hubris- How the West is losing the War on Terror" by Michael Scheur (Anonymous), who was leading the hunt for Bin Laden. Here is the Amazon blurb:- Though US leaders try to convince the world of their success in fighting al Qaeda, one anonymous member of the US intelligence community would like to inform the public that we are, in fact, losing the war on terror. Further, until US leaders recognise the errant path they have irresponsibly chosen, he says, our enemies will only grow stronger.

According to the author, the greatest danger for Americans confronting the Islamist threat is to believe--at the urging of US leaders--that Muslims attack us for what we are and what we think rather than for what we do. Blustering political rhetoric "informs" the public that the Islamists are offended by the Western world's democratic freedoms, civil liberties, inter-mingling of genders and separation of church and state. However, although aspects of the modern world may offend conservative Muslims, no Islamist leader has fomented jihad to destroy, for example, participatory democracy, the national association of credit unions or coed universities.

Instead, a growing segment of the Islamic world strenuously disapproves of specific US policies and their attendant military, political and economic implications. Capitalising on growing anti-US animosity, Osama bin Laden's genius lies not simply in calling for jihad, but in articulating a consistent and convincing case that Islam is under attack by America. Al Qaeda's public statements condemn America's protection of corrupt Muslim regimes, unqualified support for Israel, the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and a further litany of real-world grievances. Bin Laden's supporters thus identify their problem and believe their solution lies in war. "Anonymous" contends they will go to any length, not to destroy our secular, democratic way of life, but to deter what they view as specific attacks on their lands, their communities and their religion. Unless US leaders recognise this fact and adjust their policies abroad accordingly, even moderate Muslims will join the bin Laden camp.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 06:30 am
Is Islamic book-nicking from libraries rife in the UK in your opinion Herberts?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 10:05 am
herberts wrote:


Is it any wonder that my standard forum avatar is this: (which cannot be set up here because, incredibly, there isn't a re-sizing tool to limit it's dimensions to 100 x 90 pixels)...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/banned.jpg
You can resize the image yourself using the paint tool in windows. Takes about a minute.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 10:08 am
freedom4free wrote:
edgarblythe ; neologist :
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Godwin's Law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Old trick, Godwins Law is part of A Guide To Flaming On The Internet
Thanks for the link.

There's something worthwhile in every rant.
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herberts
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 03:55 pm
free2Bwrong... bring forward your best lefty apologists and your legions of sycophantic 'revisionists' to help re-clothe Islam as a civilised and humane religion acceptible to Christian morals and viewpoint -- and it still remains that Islam takes its authority from the Koran and the hadiths which expressly condemn a whole swathe of our Western traditions and cultural practices as abominations which are a blasphemous offence against Allah.

Here's your homework for tonight, free2Bwrong:

What they don't want you to read...

neologist...
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You can resize the image yourself using the paint tool in windows. Takes about a minute.


Er... yeah, right. I stuffed around in there for awhile but couldn't work it out. I used to know how to do it but I've just plain forgotten. Thanks for the instructions. You've been a great help. I owes ya.

Steve...
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Is Islamic book-nicking from libraries rife in the UK in your opinion Herberts?


The name's 'Herbert'. And your point is... ?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:19 pm
Resize image in paint


Left click image
Save image as _____
Open paint
Open image
Click on the word Image in menu
Click Attributes - determine %age of shrink, which in this case is 83%
Click Stretch/Skew
Enter 83% for width (height not absolutely necessary)
Click OK
Save image with new name.

Enter avatar with browse function on a2k

Have fun.

If you have the image without the printing, you could probably lop off 20 pixels without changing the relative dimensions. Then add printing later.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:28 pm
herberts

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I stuffed around in there for awhile but couldn't work it out


You can't do something that a 6 year old can...

And you're debating about Religion ?

Duh!

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:33 pm
herberts wrote:

Steve...
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Is Islamic book-nicking from libraries rife in the UK in your opinion Herberts?


The name's 'Herbert'. And your point is... ?
My point is that I am interested if the islamic books have gone missing from my local library. btw you must be a close relative of herberts who posts here, just single I suppose
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:39 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:40 pm
How smart does one have to be to spot the flaws in Islam or, to be fair, Catholicism?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:43 pm
I don't think you have to be smart at all just a free thinker. Religion Blows.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2006 04:55 pm
Are you saying that billions of people are wrong ?

http://www.newint.org/issue345/Images/religion.gif
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