Gay marriage debate centers on history vs. change

Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner,

As the law stands right now, let's say in Louisiana, every single person has the EXACT same right when it comes to marriage.

Again, not the issue.

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Dys,

I appreciate the sentiment but I have never said I would prefer the USA was a Christian theocracy.

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Questioner,

The last time I let someone dictate a scenario to me where I had a choice of either or (which left out my choice) I got a danged good slap in the face. Sorry, but I am not at all interested in that happening again.

So, think what you will.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Dys,

I appreciate the sentiment but I have never said I would prefer the USA was a Christian theocracy.

actually in a somewhat subtle way I believe you have.

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dyslexia wrote:

questioner, I think that you are being a bit unreasonable with MA. I don't really believe that she can put aside her religious belief system and open mindedly utilize a secular analysis of human rights. I am pretty sure she believes that bible scripture outranks constitutional law. I also believe that she would prefer that the US of A be a christian theocracy. She is not alone in these beliefs.

Unfortunately, you may be correct Dys. I doubt I'm being unfair, as she brings up her beliefs constantly as a way to rationalize why she thinks as she does. Which is well and good, but if you utterly refuse to at least glance over the fence then you have no business debating anything. MA believes that her religion is soundproof and therefore must also be the answer in every situation at every time. In this case it's not.

It doesn't belittle her beliefs at all, nor will it force her to change her beliefs to acknowledge what I'm asking.

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dys,

Actually, I think you will find that I have said many times that I do not believe in Christianity at all costs.

So, sorry, but I am afraid you are wrong in this case. I do not want the USA to be a Christian theocracy.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner,

The last time I let someone dictate a scenario to me where I had a choice of either or (which left out my choice) I got a danged good slap in the face. Sorry, but I am not at all interested in that happening again.

So, think what you will.

I merely want you to acknowlege what I've asked you to, once that has happened I will take it no further.

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MA have you not stated that you believe your god's law is more important than man's law and that you would uphold your gods law over the law of the land?

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Questioner,

Yes, I know exactly what YOU want.

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dys,

What I said was I would follow the law of the land unless that law contradicted God's law and just so you know, if I did go against the law of the land in favor of God's law yes, I'd be willing to do the time for it.

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Momma Angel wrote:

dys,

What I said was I would follow the law of the land unless that law contradicted God's law and just so you know, if I did go against the law of the land in favor of God's law yes, I'd be willing to do the time for it.

and that, MA, is a definiton of Theocracy.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner,

Yes, I know exactly what YOU want.

Tell me what I want then, MA. Tell me what is motivating my persistence?

You can't answer a simple question honestly for fear that you may be 'giving in' to something that goes against your religion? You refuse to answer it because it may incriminate you? What's the deal?

MA, your beliefs are your beliefs. I care not a whit what you believe. I just want an honest, well thought out answer to an honest question, and then I will leave it alone.

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All the ads on the last three pages are for mental health facilities....LOL!!!!!

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yeah, noticed that. You think they can help me?

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I think they're thinking you are the therapist, but the Rx is going to have to be much more intense.

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Questioner,

I try to make the best informed decisions in my life that I can. I do my best to consider others when making those decisions. I do my best to look at the whole picture.

I am against same sex marriage, yes. I can see how if I voted no it might be denying someone their rights. I have to do in my life what I can live with. Not what you or anyone else in this world can live with, but what I have to live with.

If I were to vote yes I would be completely going against my beliefs. If I vote no then I am actively denying someone their right. If I abstain then I can follow my beliefs and not actively deny someone their rights.

Now, if that is not good enough for you or anyone else then I don't know what to tell you.

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That's hilarious. I've never seen them make a mental health judgment before.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Chumly,

That's silly!

It's what I do best Smile

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Momma Angel wrote:

dys,

Actually, I think you will find that I have said many times that I do not believe in Christianity at all costs.

So, sorry, but I am afraid you are wrong in this case. I do not want the USA to be a Christian theocracy.

However...

Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite Wrote:

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I agree, and that is why I qualified that example as belonging at the far end of the spectrum. I do however hope that you understand that in the places where such actions are condoned, there is no freedom of religion. Government is by theocracy. The second highest crime, second only to murder is apostasy.

Think very hard indeed before you attempt to tamper with the concept of religious freedom.

You call theocracy a crime. I don't.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1523462#1523462

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Mesquite,

I haven't a clue as to why you went back and found that post. It just reinforces what I told dys in this thread. Am I missing something here? I mean, are you trying to help me out here? :wink:

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