Muslim Outrage

I agree with that.

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Oh, I was agreeing with Kicky, but cjhsa makes some good points, too.

This is one of the people trying to bring things into the modern world (linked to this earlier):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/02/19/international/19malaysia.1841.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/international/asia/19malaysia.html

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The media shows us all these "atrocities" being supposedly committed by our troops, when in fact, they are treating the Iraq situation with kid gloves. Know a soldier? Ask them - they feel handcuffed. We seem to be trying to appease the muslims, much like europe, instead of getting the job done.

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re females, some interesting comments on this BBC-website.

And the Egytian National Council for Women is a good example for other (not only Muslim) countries.

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au1929 wrote:

There is nothing in either the Torah or the Christian bible that even comes close to that condoned or sanctioned by the Koran. You will never see a Rabbi, Minister or Priest get up in front of his congregation and yell Kill, Kill as do some Imam in their Friday sermons

Pat Robertson urging U.S. to kill Chavez!

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

Don't try to pass off your religions as more saintly. It's a fools game I assure you.

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Pat Robertson can't find direction or agreement for his wacky stances in the Christian religion.

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Lash wrote:

Pat Robertson can't find direction or agreement for his wacky stances in the Christian religion.

It matters not. The "corruption card" that someone always corrupts our "true" and innantely good religion is past its prime. Everytime someone criticizes something there is always the defense of noble intentions. Well, the worst in man is always brought out under the tyranny of good intentions. It proves everything and it proves nothing. People are the way they are because that is how people are, and it's not due to religions, or philosophies, or tarot card readings.

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I wasn't able to disagree with any of that, anonymouse.

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Some Muslims are twisting some portions of the Quran to justify their actions. At the same time there are many non-Muslims are misunderstanding certain verses about the Islamic conduct of war when it is forced upon them. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors. (Quran 2:190)

Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers. (Quran 2:191)

Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate. (Quran 2:192)

Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers. (Quran 2:193)

The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him. (Quran 2:194)

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Anonymouse wrote:

au1929 wrote:
There is nothing in either the Torah or the Christian bible that even comes close to that condoned or sanctioned by the Koran. You will never see a Rabbi, Minister or Priest get up in front of his congregation and yell Kill, Kill as do some Imam in their Friday sermons

Pat Robertson urging U.S. to kill Chavez!

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

Don't try to pass off your religions as more saintly. It's a fools game I assure you.

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
That is a hell of a lot different from the Imam offering a bounty to kill someone. Or urging people to go out and kill in the name of Allah. The Rabbi who ever he is only voiced his opinion. As for Pat Robertson he was roundly chastised for that and some of his other idiotic ramblings.

There is one more glaring difference. No one is going to try to kill Chavez because Robertson said to. Can you say the same with regard to an Imam.

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Raul-7 wrote:

Some Muslims are twisting some portions of the Quran to justify their actions. At the same time there are many non-Muslims are misunderstanding certain verses about the Islamic conduct of war when it is forced upon them. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors. (Quran 2:190)

Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers. (Quran 2:191)

Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate. (Quran 2:192)

Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers. (Quran 2:193)

The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him. (Quran 2:194)

Nice.
So basically, what you're saying here, is that most Muslims are heretics and liable to death.
Okay.
Apparently, oddly enough, most Muslims seem to agree.
Laughing

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Most muslims?

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Raul-7 wrote:

Some Muslims are twisting some portions of the Quran to justify their actions. At the same time there are many non-Muslims are misunderstanding certain verses about the Islamic conduct of war when it is forced upon them. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

Could these fanatic Muslims not as well claim that it is you who are twisting portions of the Quran to justify your actions and beliefs? At what point is language - which is limited, frozen in time, hostage to translation, and most importantly, subject to human perception and interpretation - somehow infallible?

It is akin to the U.S. Constitution, and the Constitutionalists who claim strict adherence to the Constitution. They claim that all the big government nonsense is a perversion and misinterpration of the Constitution. In essence they claim the Constitution was twisted. But how is interpretation anything but twisting?

And who is right in what is essentially the flaw with language itself? This approach forgets the most essential rule of language, that all languages are elastic and must ultimately depend on interpretation. Words and writings are all abstractions of reality and in order to apply to reality and our real world, they must first be interpreted, and guess what: there is no set of standards that is the way it is supposed to be interpreted. People do it as they see fit.

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Good post anon

but the beauty and attraction of the Koran is that, as the final and perfect word of God, it needs no interpretation and alleviates the believer of the necessity of using his brain.

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