Islam came after slavery had become widespread.
And believers certainly did not object to slavery if a slave had to ask for his freedom.
Quote:Whoever insults [satirises, mocks or ridicules] a Prophet from the Prophets [of God] kill him, and whoever insults my Companions beat him. (Reported in Kitaab ush-Shifaa' by Qaadi 'Iyaad)
Apologies from those who mock and insult a Prophet of God are not acceptable, and the only punishment for the one who does so is death. Therefore, those who call upon the unbelievers to apologise for their ridiculing of the Prophet (SAW) are ignorant of Islamic law. Their apologies will never be accepted, according to the Sharee'ah, and the Islamic verdict must be carried out against them.
Peace and tolerance...yeah....
Eorl wrote:Quote:Whoever insults [satirises, mocks or ridicules] a Prophet from the Prophets [of God] kill him, and whoever insults my Companions beat him. (Reported in Kitaab ush-Shifaa' by Qaadi 'Iyaad)
Apologies from those who mock and insult a Prophet of God are not acceptable, and the only punishment for the one who does so is death. Therefore, those who call upon the unbelievers to apologise for their ridiculing of the Prophet (SAW) are ignorant of Islamic law. Their apologies will never be accepted, according to the Sharee'ah, and the Islamic verdict must be carried out against them.
Peace and tolerance...yeah....
Peace and tolerance indeed - what else than that might be expected of
The Religion of Peace?
Well then what about the US war crimes in Iraq; do you believe that is justified in Christianity?
http://www.the7thfire.com/Iraq_War/us_war_crimes_in_iraq.htm
Raul
These pictures could just as easily apply to Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq or any other Muslim country.
Have you ever read 4:92?
Acquiunk wrote:Raul-7 wrote:Islam has always condemended slavey-
According to Quran if a slave asks for his freedom ,the believer is left for no other choice but to accede to his request and is also required to help him with funds in order to rehabilitate him as a free man:
If Islam has always condemned slavery, what was the believer doing with a slave in the first place?
Ah I see you are trying to catch out the Muslim argument with a trick question...you must understand the rules of engagement in these religious forums Acquiunk, facts and the use of logic and rational debate are strictly forbidden.
Acquiunk wrote:And believers certainly did not object to slavery if a slave had to ask for his freedom.
Well if they were true believers they would have had to let them go free. Then again I don't see any other religion condemning slavery the same way.
Raul-7,
Here's a question that is indirectly related to mutual co-operation:
"Why are there no Muslim choirs ?"
fresco wrote:Raul-7,
Here's a question that is indirectly related to mutual co-operation:
"Why are there no Muslim choirs ?"
Because we don't sing in God's Mosque's, rather we pray together (shoulder to shoulder) as he informed us to do.
But why are Chruches segerated? All-black, all-white, all-asian, etc. - race should not matter, for God does not look at race in judgement.
"Praise to God who has removed from me the burden and arrogance of pre-Islam. People are of two types. A pious believer who is loved by God, and a wretched profligate who is debased by God." (Prophet PBUH)
"Verily, God does not look at your external forms, nor at your wealth. Rather, he looks at your deeds and your hearts." (Quran 49:13)
O people, Remember that your Lord is One. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a black has no superiority over white, nor a white has any superiority over black, except by piety and good action (Taqwa). Indeed the best among you is the one with the best character (Taqwa). Listen to me. Did I convey this to you properly? People responded, Yes. O messenger of God, The Prophet then said, then each one of you who is there must convey this to everyone not present. (Excerpt from the Prophet's Last Sermon as in Baihiqi) (Prophet PBUH)
Raul-7 wrote:fresco wrote:Raul-7,
Here's a question that is indirectly related to mutual co-operation:
"Why are there no Muslim choirs ?"
Because we don't sing in God's Mosque's, rather we pray together (shoulder to shoulder) as he informed us to do.
But why are Chruches segerated? All-black, all-white, all-asian, etc. - race should not matter, for God does not look at race in judgement.
You really do talk some nonsense. Chruches segerated (sic)
Whereas of course men and women worship equally in all mosques dont they? Not.
You know it really does illustrate my point that reading the koran or the bible is no substitute for thinking. You can cut and paste bits of the koran (btw isnt cutting and pasting the koran a SIN?) but when you use your own head and come up with an original sentence or two you talk complete rubbish.
And would you like to answer Fresco's point about why mosques are not licensed for singing dancing or the consumption of alcohol?
Steve,
Actually my point was more directed to the lack of cohesion evident in muslim affairs OTHER than the purely religious. They do not seem to be able to co-operate with each other (let alone anyone else)....democracy seems to be a no-go area....co-operation in warfare a joke....extremists run amok with no central authority....the Hajj is chaotic.....etc. No wonder muslims emigrate to more organized societies when they can....but on getting there are still likely to find "convergence" a foreign concept !
Now all this is of course a gross generalization, but
it is interesting to speculate on the relationship between religion and the quirks of socialization.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4695776.stm
Worshippers die in Pakistan blast
..."At least 27 people have been killed in a suspected suicide bomb attack and in subsequent violence at a religious procession in north-west Pakistan.
The explosion tore through a crowd of Shia Muslims marking the Ashura festival in the town of Hangu, sparking rioting among pilgrims.
Pakistan has a history of tension between Shia and Sunni Muslims.
Five people also died in Sunni-Shia fighting in Herat, western Afghanistan, on Thursday, doctors said........"
"Our Religion Does Not Allow Unconditional Free Speech"
(sign I saw a bunch of muslims carrying).
Can they not understand "irony" either?
Seems like the religion of the uneducated as well.
A similar slogan last week end carried by a Muslim with face covered...as per my tag line
Freedom of expression is, broadly speaking subject to the same general restrictions, which apply, to other rights and liberties. The most important to these is avoiding harm to others; therefore freedom of speech must not be hurtful to others nor encroach on their rights or dignity. Similarly, it falls beyond the scope of the valid exercise of this freedom for it to be used as a means to promote chaos, violence or social strife. Furthermore, freedom of speech, like other liberties, is subservient to the 'essential interests' {masalih daruriyyah} and values which are needed to maintain a stable socio-political order. Therefore, the exercise of this freedom must not jeopardize the five essential values of LIFE, FAITH, INTELLECT, LINEAGE & PROPERTY. As a general rule, the underlying intention of an utterance, the purpose that motivates it, plays a significant role in determining its legality.
Under that Islamic Shariah, violations of freedom of speech occur either in the form of particular offenses- such as slanderous accusations (Qadhf), blasphemy, sedition (Fitnah), insult (Sabb), and cursing (La'n), attribution of lies or calumny (Iftira), and the labeling of others as disbelievers (Takfir)- or they may take the form of a contempt for, or a denial of, the accepted norms and principles of Islam, which may fall under the general heading of infidelity or disbelief (Kufr), and heresy (Bid'ah). Some of these are criminal offenses and carry specific penalties, whereas others are not so well defined and tend to evoke moral condemnation only. Muslims must examine each of these violations in the light of evidence found in the valid sources and the juristic formulations of the fuqaha.
Raul-7
Feel free to expect that of members of your faith, but by what right do you expect me (or anybody else) to do so?
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
You really do talk some nonsense. Chruches segerated (sic)
Why don't you check out this website and see for yourself:
http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/african/arts_culture_media/books_multiculturalism_church.asp
Here is the key.
Raul-7 wrote: Furthermore, freedom of speech, like other liberties, is subservient to the 'essential interests' {masalih daruriyyah} and values which are needed to maintain a stable socio-political order.
Every pissant dictator including the ones that run the majority of the Muslim countries at the moment, have used this loop hole to crush free speech. Raul-7 you are no different from every other tin-pot dictator who has come down the pike from day one.
