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Islam - Religion of Tolerance, and Peace

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 06:51 am
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b2481314-942c-11da-82ea-0000779e2340.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/02/news/islam.php
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-03T072730Z_01_JAK7341_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-INDONESIA.xml&rpc=22
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1889584,00.html
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=12146
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 07:16 am
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_7.jpg

BOOM!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:18 am
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/68590/ied_attack/
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ali87
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 09:12 pm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Immortaltech/jesus_ali.jpg


Please visit: Human equality and freedom in Islam Vs the Bible.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm


Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this. The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.

We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom.

Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their population throughout the lands.



"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!"

One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, we see GOD Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

If Exodus 20:13 was supposed to be the basic pillar that prevents the Bible followers from committing murders against innocent people, then how are Numbers 31:17-18 and 1 Samuel 15:2-4 justified then when GOD Almighty Himself nullified His own Commands and decided to kill innocent children and virgin girls perhaps by the thousands?


It is most ironic that GOD Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 09:16 pm
OK, just how many threads are there going to be about this topic?

The best one so far seems to be BLASPHEMY

Just did a link dump with background info / news summaries there too.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 09:39 pm
Whitey learned slavery from the Muslims.

Meh
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ali87
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 09:59 pm
Lash wrote:
Whitey learned slavery from the Muslims.

Meh
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:13 pm
It would have been helpful if you pointed out that Muslims are, perhaps, the largest practitioners of slavery today.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_world.htm
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ali87
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:38 pm
xingu wrote:
It would have been helpful if you pointed out that Muslims are, perhaps, the largest practitioners of slavery today.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_world.htm



Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this. The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.

We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom.

Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their population throughout the lands.
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ali87
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:39 pm
Back to Human equality in Islam V.S. Christianity.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac18.htm#links
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:52 pm
Hi ali87,
What are your views on the anus?
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 06:03 am
Ali

If history has taught us anything it is that humans behave consistently toward their fellow humans regardless of what major religion they follow. Muslims are just as barbaric as Christians. Getting anal by counting bodies does not make one massacre any better than the other.

History has also shown us that Muslims love to kill in the name of Allah, especially today. Have you seen the barbaric massacres in Algiers being carried out by Muslims against Muslims? Are you suggesting they are more innocent than Christian massacres because less people were killed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Civil_War

The Golden Rule is nothing but a lie in the bible - killing of children and non-virgin women, enslaving, maiming of enemies, and so much more!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/golden_rule_lie.htm

Muslims kill just as well as Christians. So where do you come off thinking your better then Christians. You think bowing down five times a day makes your murder more righteous than Christian murder?

And as for enslaving? Today that's done primarily by Muslims.

Muhammad believed in slavery.

Quote:
Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92


Tell me ali, how any Muslims obey Muhammad when he said "Believers shouldn't kill believers"?

Quote:
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51


Isn't hate wonderful?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 03:52 pm
Suddenly radical islam finds itself at war with Europe and not just the United States, its attempt at a cultural coup in the old world suddenly failing miserably. Also, let's not forget Russia, who's been at war with the same militants for decades.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 01:04 am
ali87 wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Immortaltech/jesus_ali.jpg


Please visit: Human equality and freedom in Islam Vs the Bible.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm


Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this. The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.

We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom.


The biggest blood sheds took place in WW1 and 2 because of Christians?

How can anyone be forced to 'embrace' Christianity....to earn freedom?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 01:26 am
Islam has always condemended slavey-

According to Quran if a slave asks for his freedom ,the believer is left for no other choice but to accede to his request and is also required to help him with funds in order to rehabilitate him as a free man:

"And if any of your slaves ask you for a deed in writing (for emancipation) give them such a deed; If ye knew any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to youÂ…"[24:33]

The main source of slaves, were prisoners of war. The Quran laid down that they should be set free either for a favor or as ransom for your own prisoners of war:

"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminatesÂ…"[47:4]

Thus the Quran has restricted the victor with either freeing prisoners for ransom or as a favor. There is no third choice given by the Quran, and thereby it has not only abolished slavery but abolished the very source of this evil, i.e. prisoners of war.

The basic and fundamental teaching of the Quran is that subservience is due to Allah alone and not to any human or group of humans. Obedience and sovereignty is only and only for Allah, says the Quran at numerous places. Qur'anic Islam does not accept Slavery

The Qur'an unambiguously states that no man no matter how high a status he may occupy, be that status of a direct recipient of Divine messages even (Nabuwah) ,no human being has the right to enslave any other human or group of humans, says the Qur'an:

"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and 'Nabuwah' (prophethood), then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance providers (Rabaniyoon) because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."[3:79]

The above clarifies the basic teaching of the Qur'an in stating that obedience is not due to any human or group of humans' man made laws but according to the Quran, obedience and subservience is due to Allah alone, which is implemented in human affairs by following his Book (see 6:114) and instances where man subjects man, are described in the Quran as a great injustice. (Ref: Narration of enslavement of Children of Israel by Pharoah and his forces.)

The Prophet (PBUH) also reminded us:

He will not enter paradise who behaveth ill to his slaves. The companions said, "O Apostle of God! Have you not told us, that there will be a great many slaves and orphans amongst your disciples?" He said, "Yes; then be kind to them as your own children, and give them to eat of what you eat yourselves. The slaves that say their prayers are your brothers."

[The first call to prayer at the Quba mosque built by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was given in 622 by Bilal -- a black slave freed by the Prophet (PBUH). ]
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 01:42 am
Let's agree shall we, that the biggest bloodsheds in history were committed in the name of someone's god or gods....none of which anybody has any solid evidence to show they EVER existed.

Ain't we clever... Rolling Eyes
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 04:27 pm
There is no peace without love.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 04:48 pm
Bartikus wrote:
There is no peace without love.


Take off the 'without love' bit and you'll have a more accurate statement.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 05:09 pm
There is no war without love either.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 06:20 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Islam has always condemended slavey-

According to Quran if a slave asks for his freedom ,the believer is left for no other choice but to accede to his request and is also required to help him with funds in order to rehabilitate him as a free man:




If Islam has always condemned slavery, what was the believer doing with a slave in the first place?
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