The Quran on Mountains

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The point is that the fundamentalist's interpretation "proof" relies on post-interpretation of ancient texts such that they appear to be retro- dictive of current scientific findings. This is the same nonsense as has been applied to Nostradamus. All figurative writings have a plethora of possible interpretations. Picking out one interpretation to suit your current needs is like seeing your Grandma's face in a cloud shape.

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life was originated from water:

"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 11:7)"

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"

"And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45

Very Important Discovery:



A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.


Another Very Important Discovery:





Allah Almighty Said: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion. He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement happens.
In the Arabic Noble Verse, "wardatan" was translated as "ROSY" above. The root word "WARDA" in Arabic LITERALLY means "ROSE" or "FLOWER". The "tan" at the end of "wardatan" is not part of the word. It is only an Arabic PUNCTUATION that only changes the sound of the word for grammatical rules. It is pronounced as "ten", with the "a" being short. The reason why the above word was not written as "wardaten" is because in many parts of the world, the English word "ten" (number 10) is pronounced as "tin". Only the American-English pronounce the "e" as a short "a". Most of the world uses the British-English system and they pronounce the "e" as "i", and the "o" as it is, such as "stop" pronounced as "stope". The American-English pronounces the "o" as a thick "a". Also, if we were to add two Arabic characters, "alif" and "noon" at the end of "warda", it would change the pronunciation to "taan" (wardataan), and it then becomes two "wardas"; plural.
**** Explosion of Galaxies can not be seen with the naked eye. It also can not be seen with regular telescopes. You need the special Government-owned and NASA-owned "Hubble Space" Super Telescope. The point from all of this is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him could not have come up with any of this on his own 1500 years ago!



Life and our physical bodies originated from CLAY (soil, dust and water) - The Noble Quran Claimed it and Science confirmed it!
The sections of this article are:
1- Allah Almighty's Divine Claims in the Noble Quran.
2- The Scientific Proofs!



Allah Almighty's Divine Claims in the Noble Quran:
The following article and Noble Verses were sent to me by my dear brother in Islam, Frank; a Western convert to Islam. May Allah Almighty always be pleased with him. You can also visit his web site at: http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/

Let us look at what Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:
"He it is created you from clay, and then decreed a stated term (for you). And there is in His presence another determined term; yet ye doubt within yourselves! (The Noble Quran, 6:2)"
"He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning. Such is He, the Knower of all things, hidden and open, the Exalted (in power), the Merciful;- He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (The Noble Quran, 32:5-9)"
All of our souls came from GOD Almighty's Spirit. Please visit: Abortion in Islam is a crime!

"Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay! (The Noble Quran, 37:11)"
"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (The Noble Quran, 23:12)"
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; (The Noble Quran, 15:26)"
"God created man of clay, like pottery. (The Noble Quran, 55:14)"

Also, please visit: Life originated from water in the Noble Quran.


The Scientific Proofs!
The following article was taken from: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4307. The color, bold and underline emphasis below are mine.

Clay's matchmaking could have sparked life
• 19:00 23 October 2003
• NewScientist.com news service
• Philip Cohen

Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown.
The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. "Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles," says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. "So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
Inherit, mutate, evolve
The genesis of genetic material and the emergence of cell structure are hot areas of research, but until now the two had not connected. The birth of genetic material was clearly crucial for life to take on its unique abilities to inherit, mutate and evolve.
And membranes were key to the physiology of cells because they protect their contents, concentrate chemicals to promote reactions and isolate successful genes from unsuccessful ones. "It's clear you really need both these elements to get evolution off the ground and running," says Szostak.
Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.
For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.
100-fold acceleration
Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.
"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.
His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.
Szostak admits that in a natural setting the vesicles would rarely be forced to divide in this way. So now his group is searching for different mixtures of membrane-forming molecules that might divide spontaneously when they reach a certain size.
Journal reference: Science (vol 302, p 618 )

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Science and Existence of Plant's pairs - The Noble Quran claimed it 1500 years ago!



"(God is the One who) sent down rain from the sky and with it brought forth a variety of plants in pairs [azwajan min nabatin shatta]." {Quran, 20:53}
The above verse informing us about the existence of male and female flowers and plants. lets consider the modern research.


Science and Existence of Plant's pairs
Each individual flower has both male and female parts. (1)
Both male and female trees are usually necessary to produce a crop of fruit. For positive fruiting, both male and female trees should be planted. (2)

Previously, humans did not know that plants too have male and female gender distinctions. Botany states that every plant has a male and female gender.

(1) http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/envirohort/factsheets2/landsnurs/feb88pr6.html
(2) http://www.ces.purdue.edu/gardentips/fruits/persimmons.html
Motion of the Earth in the Noble Quran:


Have WE not made the earth a fast moving object with den of storage?
{Al-Quran 77:25}

Second verse regarding motion of the earth:
"Have We not made the earth as a cradle and the mountains like pegs?"
{Al-Quran 78:6-7}


Third Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth
And the earth is wada'aha for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}
"wada'atinnaaqah" means " a running camel" (lughat-ul-Quran)
"Wada'aturrajul" means "a running man" (lughat-ul-Quran)

We observed that the word "running" common in both meanings, hence in the above verse the word "wada'a" used with the earth. thus the translation of this verse will be,
And the earth, is a running object for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}

4th Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth
Who has made for you the earth as a farsh.....
{Al-Quran 2:22}
Farasha means a "flying insect" like moth, mosquito etc. This meaning of farash is used in the following verse of the Holy Quran:


The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle:


"Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 27:88)"



Translation of Khalifa:
When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of GOD, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
Translation of Palmer:
And thou shalt see the mountains, which thou dost deem solid, pass away like the passing of the clouds;- the work of God who orders all things; verily, He is well aware of what ye do!

Allah Almighty did say that all of the objects in the Universes are swimming in space:
Allah Almighty said that all of the objects of the Universe are swimming; each in its orbit:
"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit with its own motion. (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"


The Scientific Miracle:
Why did Allah Almighty say in the Noble Quran that the mountains pass like the clouds in the sky do? We all know that to humans, the earth doesn't really move. Everything is standing still, except during the times of earth quakes.
So what is the purpose from Allah Almighty telling us that the mountains are moving? By the way, the "mountains" here is not just limited to mountains, but rather it includes the whole ground we're standing on, since like I said, to us humans, the earth doesn't move, except during the times of earth quakes. And the mountains are obviously connected with the ground.
By the way, clouds never really move away. They only rotate around the earth and travel above the earth; above land to land. So if the mountains (the whole ground of earth since the mountains are part of earth) are "moving, like the clouds", then this means that the earth is also moving in circle around its axle.
So, why didn't Allah Almighty just say so? Allah Almighty 1500 years ago did not want to make irrational and CRAZY statements that would've been refused and considered as absurd and utter nonsense to the people who lacked a great deal of knowledge about astronomy and geology. The Miracle of the Noble Quran is that while Allah Almighty made the statement in Noble Verse 27:88 acceptable to the people back then, He also included the scientific claim in it for us today, and told us that the earth does indeed move around its axle.

In fact, Allah Almighty specifically said that in the Noble Quran:
"And the earth We have spread out; set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. (The Noble Quran, 15:19)"
"He created the heavens [sky] without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. we send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. (The Noble Quran, 31:10)"
"And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves, and marks and signposts and by the stars (men) guide themselves. (The Noble Quran, 16:15-16)"



The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220)
Allah Almighty said: "Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? (The Noble Quran, 78:6-7)"
He the Almighty also said: "And He has set firm mountains in the earth so it would not shake with you....(The Noble Quran, 16:15)"
Please visit: The amazing creation of earth and mountains in the Noble Quran. Science confirms that mountains prevent the earth from shaking while it is revolving around its axle. The Noble Quran made a similar claim.

So, why did Allah Almighty say in the Noble Quran 1500 years ago that the earth is moving like the clouds?
Because the earth was scientifically proven to rotate around its axle:
"The day is defined to be the time between one dawn (or noon) and the next' i.e., the day is defined with respect to the position of the Sun in the sky. Now, the earth revolves around the sun in the sky and so the time taken for the Sun to come to the same position in the sky is longer than the time taken for the Earth to rotate once around itself. You can convince yourself about this by drawing a picture of the Earth in orbit around the Sun and rotating around itself at the same time.
So, the Earth's rotation period is actually 4 minutes less than what we call as one day. As a result of this, the Sun's position in the sky at noon is roughly fixed, but the stars slowly drift apart. So, the stars which are overhead at midnight today will slowly move in the sky until they will be overhead at noon 6 months apart.
If instead we defined a day to be the time taken by the Earth to rotate round itself exactly once, then as you mention, the Sun will be overhead on some day at midnight."
(http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=52)

The overlapping of the Day and Night around the Earth:
The overlapping of the Day over the Night and the Night over the Day is a helpful claim to Noble Verse 27:88 above. Let us look at the following Noble Verse:
"He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again? (The Noble Quran, 39:5)"

The earth was created as "egg-shaped" in the Noble Quran:
Please visit: Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".
The Earth is round according to Islam.


And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); 31. He draweth out Therefrom its water And its pasture; 32. And the mountains Hath He firmly fixed -- 33. For use and convenience To you and your cattle. (The Noble Quran, 79:30-33)"



Signs of the Quran - Astronomy



Astronomy - Alien life forms

We sent down Iron …"
Surah Al-Hadid Surah 57 Ayah 25 "
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His seat (Arsh) was over the Waters…"
Surah Hud 11 Ayah 7
"… His throne (Kursi) doth extend over the heavens and the earth…"
Surah Al-Baqara 2 Ayah 255





Iron is a heavy element, a transition metal and stands in the middle of the periodic table of elements. This table was proposed by the Russian scientist Dimitry Mendeleyev by the middle of the 19th century and it classifies the elements according to their chemical properties in rows and columns. In this table iron (chemical symbol Fe) has been classified as the 26th element with an atomic weight that varies between 55,8 and 57.
If this compared with the positioning of the verse above and the number of the Surah, it is obvious that there is a special match between the number of the Surah and the atomic weight of iron as well as the number of the Ayah that iron is mentioned in and the number of the element iron. And because the first verse of every Surah is "bismillah hirrahmaan nirraheem", "in the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful" and is not counted as an independent verse, it can be added. The word iron is then in verse 26 of the Surah 57.
The main compound of water is hydrogen, the original and basic element, which is the lightest of all and the most abundant in the universe. It consists of 1 proton and neutron in the nucleus and 1 electron in the shell and in the nuclear fusion taking place in the supernovae (see Universe & Life, Elements), hydrogen and helium, which is produced directly out of it, are fused to heavier elements. So hydrogen "does extend over the heavens and the earth", as stated in S 2:A55 and it is the throne of the creator, meaning he has created all matter out of it. On the other hand the mere seat (arsh in comparison to kursi) is the water, the origin of life. As the creation of the heavens and the earth is mentioned as a more complex act than the creation of life and human beings, it can be associated to the throne rather than the mere seat, which is on water.
Since water is abundant in the universe and it is the source of (carbon based) life, furthermore it is mentioned in the Quran that there are many beings between the heavens and the Earth who praise Allah, it is clear that there must be other intelligent life in the universe.
The picture above shows: THE PERIODIC TABLE OF ELEMENTS, The latest element discovered by scientists in 1999 is a radioactive element which exists for tiny fractions of seconds and has the atomic weight of 114, exactly the total number of Surahs in the Quran. It is unlikely that any new element will be discovered, because the search has been going on for decades and the methods have not improved or changed for a long time. In this respect, the structure of the Quran is a reflection of the elementary creation of the universe. The book of nature and the book of revelation harmonise as they have the same origin, the Almighty Creator.
Iron was sent from Space in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
The Seven Layers of the earth's atmosphere in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
the layers of the Atmosphere in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm


Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/life_from_space.htm



UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran!
Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills. (The Noble Quran, 42:29)"
This Noble Verse was forwarded to me by brother Frank (www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com), who have embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
As we see, "through them" includes the living creatures in both the Universe (heavens) and the earth. Please visit: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/ for more details and proofs. This link too was forwarded to me by brother Frank.
Also, "gather them together when He wills" seems to suggest that Allah Almighty would allow communication, finding and meeting with those scattered creations in the Universe (UFOs in other words) when "He wills".
Allah Almighty clearly talked about what we call today "space shuttles":
"O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! (The Noble Quran, 55:33)"
When Allah Almighty revealed to Prophet the Noble Quran 1500 years ago, there were no flying air planes or man-made objects invented. Yet Allah Almighty talked about humans passing the zones of heavens by saying "If it be ye can pass....., pass ye! not without authority" What is that authority? It is the Will of Allah Almighty of course, and the physical "space shuttles".

"Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except God, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (The Noble Quran, 27:65)"
"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
Noble Verses 27:65 and 19:93-96 clearly suggest that there are beings existing in the Universe in places other than earth.

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on Earth.' They said: 'Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?' He said: 'I know what ye know not.' (The Noble Quran, 2:30)"
When I read this Noble Verse the first time after I watched citing of UFOs on TV, I pondered upon it for a while. If Adam peace be upon him was the very first human out of all Mankind that GOD Almighty ever created, then what caused the Angels peace be upon them to be concerned about Adam's creation and say "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?"??
How did they know that we humans were going to do mischief on Earth and shed blood??

Also, notice that Allah Almighty said that he was going to "create a vicegerent on Earth" only! So, it could very well be that Adam peace be upon him was the first human being ever existed on Earth, but not the first human being ever created.
"It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 2:29)"
"He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (God) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? (The Noble Quran, 67:3)"
"God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that God has power over all things, and that God comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 65:12)"
In the above Noble Verses we clearly see that Allah Almighty created seven Heavens or probably Galaxies! If we are living in one Galaxy, and there are six other Galaxies like the one we are living in, then it is very highly possible that there are other planets that have living humans in them as well.
Notice carefully that Allah Almighty said in Noble Verse 65:12 "God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number...." This could mean that there are six other Earths beside ours.
It could also mean that the Earth is made of seven layers as was Geologically proven. Please visit The mention of creation of Earth and Iron in the Noble Quran perfectly matches our scientific discoveries today.

The dead turning into Fossils and Iron. The Noble Quran Claimed it, and Science today Confirmed it!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/from_dead_to_iron.htm







The Quran states how old is the Universe:

Age of the Universe
There are at least 3 ways that the age of the Universe can be estimated. I will describe

The age of the chemical elements.
The age of the oldest star clusters.
The age of the oldest white dwarf stars.

The Age of the Elements
The age of the chemical elements can be estimated using radioactive decay to determine how old a given mixture of atoms is. The most definite ages that can be determined this way are ages since the solidification of rock samples. When a rock solidifies, the chemical elements often get separated into different crystalline grains in the rock. For example, sodium and calcium are both common elements, but their chemical behaviours are quite different, so one usually finds sodium and calcium in different grains in a differentiated rock. Rubidium and strontium are heavier elements that behave chemically much like sodium and calcium. Thus rubidium and strontium are usually found in different grains in a rock. But Rb-87 decays into Sr-87 with a half-life of 47 billion years. And there is another isotope of strontium, Sr-86, which is not produced by any rubidium decay. The isotope Sr-87 is called radiogenic, because it can be produced by radioactive decay, while Sr-86 is non-radiogenic. The Sr-86 is used to determine what fraction of the Sr-87 was produced by radioactive decay. This is done by plotting the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio versus the Rb-87/Sr-86 ratio. When a rock is first formed, the different grains have a wide range of Rb-87/Sr-86 ratios, but the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio is the same in all grains because the chemical processes leading to differentiated grains do not separate isotopes. After the rock has been solid for several billion years, a fraction of the Rb-87 will have decayed into Sr-87. Then the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio will be larger in grains with a large Rb-87/Sr-86 ratio. Do a linear fit of

Sr-87/Sr-86 = a + b*(Rb-87/Sr-86)

and then the slope term is given by
b = 2x - 1

with x being the number of half-lives that the rock has been solid. See the talk.origins isochrone FAQ for more on radioactive dating.

When applied to rocks on the surface of the Earth, the oldest rocks are about 3.8 billion years old. When applied to meteorites, the oldest are 4.56 billion years old. This very well determined age is the age of the Solar System. See the talk.origins age of the Earth FAQ for more on the age of the solar system.

When applied to a mixed together and evolving system like the gas in the Milky Way, no great precision is possible. One problem is that there is no chemical separation into grains of different crystals, so the absolute values of the isotope ratios have to be used instead of the slopes of a linear fit. This requires that we know precisely how much of each isotope was originally present, so an accurate model for element production is needed. One isotope pair that has been used is rhenium and osmium: in particular Re-187 which decays into Os-187 with a half-life of 40 billion years. It looks like 15% of the original Re-187 has decayed, which leads to an age of 8-11 billion years. But this is just the mean formation age of the stuff in the Solar System, and no rhenium or osmium has been made for the last 4.56 billion years. Thus to use this age to determine the age of the Universe, a model of when the elements were made is needed. If all the elements were made in a burst soon after the Big Bang, then the age of the Universe would be to = 8-11 billion years. But if the elements are made continuously at a constant rate, then the mean age of stuff in the Solar System is

(to + tSS)/2 = 8-11 Gyr

which we can solve for the age of the Universe giving
to = 11.5-18 Gyr


Allah The Allmighty says :
( 22-47 ) < And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.>
It's mean that a Day by Allah is 1000 years in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Moon around the Earth ( it is the Hegire year) or the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year).
And Allah says :
[70.4] To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.
In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos. We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him.
Let's convert these God's Years in our norms :
50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days.
One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is :
18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old .


And with Him are the keys of the unseen treasures none knows them but He; and He knows what is in the Land and the Sea, (SURA 6, verse 59 )
The singular word 'Bahr' means sea has occurred 32, all land words has occurred 13 times ('Barr' means land has occurred 12 times + the word 'Yabas' means land occurred 1 time) so the total would be 32 + 13 = 45 times

sea percentage would be: ( 32/45 ) * 100 % = 71.1111 %

land percentage would be: ( 13/45 ) * 100 %= 28.8889 %

and it is the exact percentage of the sea to land ..
Finally after this simple calculation we come to a miraculous result which stated the Quran for more than 1400 years and which the modern Science confirmes.
In Encyclopedia Britannica we can read :

Ocean :
continuous body of salt water that is contained in enormous basins on the Earth's surface.
When viewed from space, the predominance of the oceans on the Earth is readily apparent. The oceans and their marginal seas cover nearly 71 percent of the Earth's surface, with an average depth of 3,795 metres (12,450 feet). The exposed land occupies the remaining 29 percent of the planetary surface and has a mean elevation of only 840 metres (2,756 feet). Actually, all the elevated land could be hidden under the oceans and the Earth reduced to a smooth sphere that would be completely covered by a continuous layer of seawater 2,686 metres deep. This is known as the sphere depth of the oceans and serves to underscore the abundance of water on the Earth's surface.

The Earth is round according to Islam.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_round.htm






Oceanology in the Noble Quran:



http://www.answering-christianity.com/oceanology.htm



The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm





The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_universe.htm


Comparison between what Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran with some scientific discoveries:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah_and_science.htm



How could Allah create the world in 6 days if science has proved that the world and universe took millions of years to make?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/6_days.htm


Einstein's time relativity in the Noble Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_relativity.htm



Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.


http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_37.html


The Mercy of Allah Almighty on Mankind, and our age of 40 Wisdom in Islam, Psychology and Science:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm










YOU WANT MORE MIRACLES FROM THE QURAN?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

OH
MY
GOD (note I said God there)

You honestly think i am going to read all that? Please.

And you didn't answer what I said that showed I was stupid, which was the first question. And of course, the most important.

Ali--

Okay. So are you saying that the Noble Quran has predicted events that have already happened? Is that true?!

We are being given a demonstration that even His Royal Appendageness TGFSM makes mistakes occasionally.

Ali!

Own up !

You're really Exidor in "Mork from Ork" aren't you ?

The Holy Quran is not the Book in science or predictions. It is the book to guide Muslims how to spend their lives. Allah has given many signs in it to prove the truth of Holy Quran. So that no one can ever say that it has been written by a human.

Holy Quran has told us about many things 1400 years ago that science proved in last century. 1400 ago who knew that facts about mountains I mentioned in my first post of this thread and also about many other things. Now who wants to seek the truth, its open to him.

All people should read the Holy Quran before posting the comments regarding it.

Read the Holy Quran at http://www.religionsonline.info/religions/quran/index.asp

Your facts on mountains are nonsense.

A true and practical case in point:

We all know that Mount St. Helens is the crystal-clear example that mountain actually causes the earth to shake. For centuries, Mount St. Helens caused many earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and so on. The recent (2004) dangerous episodes happening in the Mount St. Helens is the testament to the claim that Mountain is the cause of shaking earth and not a stabilizer. This year (2004), Mount St. Helens has been causing hundreds of earth shakings (earthquakes) and volcanic eruptions and dangerous shaking episodes are still continuing. Is there any fool who still can believe that Mountain was created to stabilize the earth?

Truth of the matter is, all mountains had been formed by shaking of this earth in the first place, and i.e. Mountain could not be formed/born without severe shaking of this planet earth, period. Besides, we know very well that, every year tens of dozens of earthquakes happen on earth. Then what is the result of Allah's promise? Can we believe that, Mountains are there to prevent earthquake? Then why thousands of earthquakes happen every century?

I am sure this ridiculous "mountain story for stabilizing earth from shaking" is perhaps one of the lies of Dr. Maurice Bucaille revealed in his (in)famous book -"The Bible, the Qur'an and Science", which was comprehensively refuted by Dr. William Campbell in his "The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History & Science".
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm41008.htm Check this link if you really want to know the truth about the Quranic references to mountains.

remember NOT all mountains are volcanic, MOST ARENT, and its a scientific fact that mountains have ROOTS and that they prevent earth from shaking too much during an earthquake. imagine if it wasnt for non volcanic mountains, then earthquakes wouldve been way more worst. so wat ur saying is nonsense. again, its been scientifically proven that mountains have roots and prevent earth from shaking too much. ur just an ignorant fool who doeasnt wantto admit to the truth, well at least be man enough to admit to science, science has proved this. wat ur saying is complete non sense, because most mountains are not volcanic only a few are. so those non volcanic mountains that dont errupt do prevent earth from shaking too much during an earthquake. go read the facts.

What did Mohammed have to say about plate techtonics Ali?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not say anything from Himself. He was a man as we are and has no knowledge regarding that facts as with other people of that time. Holy Quran is the words of God. God has given that book to us through His Prophet Muhammad PBUH. All these facts have been told by God as He is the Creator and knows what and how He has created.

I am alarmed and depressed to think you actually believe that.

Of course! It all makes sense now. Geology is a complete lie, a scam, meant to pull the wool over our eyes.
Mountains are not formed by tectonic plates colliding, as we are taught, but are placed there, held down by roots (otherwise they might fall over), to keep earthquakes from doing too much damage. Of course the earthquakes themselves are nothing more than the anger of Allah.
Thank you, male, for opening my eyes.

Steve,

.....ya'll have to excuse Ali....I was having a bad day and he sorta slipped through........I've given him a warning but there's not much to work on ...you get me ?

thats ok yer actualness

he seems to have gone away for the moment. Monday is such a bum day, all that homework he never did over the week end. And French in the afternoon, he really hates that.

If i may be so bold . . . how the hell is the Quran supposed to differ at high altitudes from what it is at sea level ?

A quote from the Quran as cited in the first linke that male gives, as the basis for his whole thread:

And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you... (Quran, 16:15)

Mountains do not stop earthquakes from happening, nor do they make earthquakes less severe, as someone, I think ali, claimed above.


On the contrary. It is precisely BECAUSE there are mountains that there are earthquakes. They are part of the same process.

If male had done even the most minimal amount of research, he would have found that areas of mountains tend to coincide with the highest number of earthquakes (e.g. the frequency charts in Wikipedia)--e.g. the Andean region of S. America, the Himalayas, and the Rockies-coastal area of N. America.

That is because these mountain chains are formed by the collisions of tectonic plates, the subduction of one under the other, and the consequent upthrust of the upper one, which forms the mountains. When those plates grind into each other, an earthquake happens. And since the plates are moving, earthquakes keep happening. \

GPS measurements indicate the Himalayas are still growing higher slowly, as the Indian plate keeps moving into Asia. And consequently there was a massive earthquake in Pakistan, a good Moslem country two months ago. The mounta9ins didn't protect the people there or reduce loss of life. The very fact that there were mountains there is why there was a quake. male, ali, and the Qurtan are wrong here. Sorry, but that's the fact.

Ridiculous.
Mountains are Allahs EQstoppers. There is no processes involved but the wiggle of Allahs nose.
Quit clouding the issue with your worthless facts, evidence, and research.
BAH.