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Sat 28 Jan, 2006 01:58 am
If you agree that rational, scientifically based thoughts and actions are the way to go, how do you qualify/quantify the arts? Music does not seem to be rational and scientifically derived for example, even if it has mathematical underpinnings.
Is it fair to say a rational, scientifically biased viewpoint might still entertain spirituality in the artistic sense?
Spiritual:
Devoted to the world of the mind; concerned with intellectual or imaginative things.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of another world, especially a mystical or transcendental world: "The effect was dreamy, otherworldy".
Very interesting thought, Chumly. I am quite intrigued. I will definitely be watching this. I am not scientifically minded much at all so I can't really speak to that. But I would agree that appreciating art and music can definitely have spiritual connotations.
Music and art are very spiritual. It appeals directly to a person's emotions.
Actully, IMO, some of the best music and art was produced as a means of expressing religious thought, as the artist perceived their faith. The thing is, that the work of art or music is a man made invention, and only illustrates the artist's perception of belief.
Some of the times that I feel most "at one" with the world is when I am listening to a beautiful piece of music. Clouds, meadows, and mountains elicit the same sort of emotional experience for me.
Creativity, whether its a novel idea in the form of an equation, or a musical score, abides in the same areas of accomplishment.
Science is a discipline , pursued with passion
Art is a passion pursued with discipline.
Platitudes,platitudes fm
Science and art are intimately interwoven like a country boy is to his landscape.
But youll use it in the future spendi. That we can count on.
chum saidQuote:Is it fair to say a rational, scientifically biased viewpoint might still entertain spirituality in the artistic sense?
Why not, they arent mutually exclusive you know.
Quote:But youll use it in the future spendi. That we can count on.
If you mean fm that I will use the landscape then you are right.You can count on it.And both scientifically and artistically.
If you had taken to contemplating the ladies in the pub last night from a scientific point of view you might realise that the artistic point of view is actually intimately interwoven with it.
How logical or rational ones mind is has little to do with emotional appeal.
Our thinking mind is a tool, not a toolbox.
farmerman wrote:Science is a discipline , pursued with passion
Art is a passion pursued with discipline.
If art is a passion pursued with discipline then how do you define the artistic effect that a Spin Art machine has? Simply poor taste
http://www.hullaballoorental.com/games/spin-art.php
Art (say music) even if it requires discipline, does not need to rely solely (if at all?) on logic and reason or perhaps even discipline. So it's fountainhead and/or it's effects push art into the work of spirituality.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Music and art are very spiritual. It appeals directly to a person's emotions.
Actully, IMO, some of the best music and art was produced as a means of expressing religious thought, as the artist perceived their faith. The thing is, that the work of art or music is a man made invention, and only illustrates the artist's perception of belief.
Some of the times that I feel most "at one" with the world is when I am listening to a beautiful piece of music. Clouds, meadows, and mountains elicit the same sort of emotional experience for me.
It's intriguing about the music / religion angle.
It's also interesting that a pastoral landscape (or a war scene) can have a similar effect to a piece of music.
Sometimes when I am playing guitar, it seems like the notes are going through me and the muse is the propellant.
Doktor S wrote:How logical or rational ones mind is has little to do with emotional appeal.
Our thinking mind is a tool, not a toolbox.
Art can also function on an rational / intellectual / esthetic level don't you think? Take for example a well egineered bridge.
Wouldn't you allow a not very well engineered bridge to be art as well.
yes a well engineered bridge can be beautiful and be art - look at the bridge at Millau or some of the very old bridges in England
http://www.stephanecompoint.com/11,376.html
it's worth looking at the whole of this site - this is a superb photographer and the sheep in the foreground of some made me think of Tupik! you'll see what I mean I hope
I think Phoenix and Farmer have put some very good points across and I totally agree with both.
Life is a balance we need the spiritual and the logical intertwined
spendius wrote:Wouldn't you allow a not very well engineered bridge to be art as well.
You need a spanking bad boy, as provided by the fantasy of your choice
Chum-
You are much too subjective.
"Well engineered","You need","bad boy".
3 very subjective usages in a short space.That is quite bourgeios Chum and the spanking stuff is more or less the exclusive preserve of that class.
but hes easily understood spendi. See the difference?
You shouldnt be giving writing advice to anyone since your thought structures are more like Kerouac than Dylan.
fm-
I read two pages of On The Road and put it on my "must sell someday" shelf.I know Dylan inside out.Songs,poems,interviews,movies,performance style,books,sources and reported personal history.
I realise that I still might be as you say despite that but I very much doubt it.
I think it just another flip remark of the sort that is likely to get you thrown out of meetings on a regular basis.
What's this "other partner" thing.I'm intrigued.
Don't you think "well engineered" and "bad boy" and "you need" are subjective.I don't actually think they are-I know they are.
farmerman wrote:.....hes easily understood.....
I accept your postion, as there are much worse fates, such as what my wife thinks of me sometimes
Chumly wrote:Doktor S wrote:How logical or rational ones mind is has little to do with emotional appeal.
Our thinking mind is a tool, not a toolbox.
Art can also function on an rational / intellectual / esthetic level don't you think? Take for example a well engineered bridge.
I sure do. The rational mind can look at something and think 'That is a marvel of modern engineering' while still being in awe of it's size scope and aesthetic appeal on an emotional level. I think the two are separate functions of the brain, though.
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