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Momma Angel's Farewell to A2K

 
 
Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:31 pm
I first started posting on A2K because I wanted to understand why other people were saying some of the things they were saying. I didn't understand them. I am pretty much housebound with my cat shelter and where I live and I don't have a lot of contact with the outside world. Finding A2K was pretty amazing for me. I could talk to other people about how they felt and think and I could do the same.

I have learned a lot from a lot of people on here. I am so grateful for all that has been taught me. But, I'm tired. I'm tired of the nastiness because people don't agree with each other. I'm tired of the perceptions people have about certain people for what they do or don't believe.

I am very upset right now. It seems no one thinks I have actual human feelings. Well, I do. Maybe I'm too sensitive. So what? That is who I am. I care about people. I care about people I don't even know. I am just not going to let myself get drawn into this anymore. It hurts too much.

Some of you can be the most compassionate and amazing people in one thread and in another tear someone to shreds. I don't understand that. I may like some people less than others on here and engage in some tit for tat but to tear a person apart? Why? Why do those that do this feel it is necessary? Why, when you know it hurts someone else, do you it? (Please understand I am not talking about everyone. If it applies to you it does, if it doesn't, it doesn't.)

Don't you realize that each individual has the power to change things? Don't you realize that each of you can make this world better in some way? If everyone in the world "has" to be right, we are in bigger trouble than any of us thought.

Some of you rail against those that don't believe in homosexuality or abortion or whatever and you can't even see that you can't give the same respect you are giving to a whole group to someone you are in a conversation with.

Maybe I'm just getting old. I used to think people of all intellects, education, etc., could have a conversation about things. Now, it's reason, logic, strawmen, red herrings, and the real issues are buried between the accusations of you aren't debating according to my standards. Well, I am not as educated as some of you. I am not as intelligent as some of you. So what? Does that make you of a master race or something?

Words can hurt. Words can inflict deep cuts. Just because you are typing something on a screen and are not actually in front of the person you are "talking" to does not mean they have no feelings.

To anyone that I have offended in the slightest or made you angry or hurt your feelings, please forgive me. I am ashamed to say that I know I have done some of this myself.

Setanta, I will always be very grateful to you for telling me to get help immediately when I was bitten by that spider and for the thread you started.

To everyone that has ever shared with me, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I hope I carry these lessons with me forever.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:50 pm
Luke 15:4  What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:56 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Now, it's reason, logic, strawmen, red herrings, and the real issues are buried between the accusations of you aren't debating according to my standards.[/b]


Sorry, Momma Angel, that's the central divide. Some of us believe that reason and logic are how you get AT the real issues.

I'm sorry you're frustrated. However, I think your frustration is pretty much inevitable. A break might do you good.

Take care.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:56 pm
Re: Momma Angel's Farewell to A2K
I have had very little interaction with you on A2K but we have crossed paths. While I find you generally to be a sweet-natured poster I do avoid a large amount of your threads since I am not interested in hashing out religion, being a lapsed Catholic. You do come across with strong views and to be honest, in a forum such as this I am of the opinion if you can't take it then don't dish it out. This is a general statement. I am not blasting you, but I do tire of people who complain they are upset, not getting the responses they want, don't like to play with the kids (nasty and nice alike) who frequent this space. It is an absolute that we will come across someone or someones who make us want to smack them upside the head. If they bother you, ignore and avoid them. If you post inflammatory posts you will get some strong and perhaps childish responses. Ignore those asses! They don't deserve your attention. But don't expect everyone to love you and agree with you and have the same opinions. Sure it's disrespectful of people to post snotty comments and easily done since they are not face-to-face with their counterparts but we are all people in glass-houses. There is not one among us who is entitled to throw stones, yourself included, but we throw them anyway, because without the stones being thrown (and how we wish they were lopped gently and not flung roughtly) there would be no debate, lively discussion, interest in differing opinions. So while I stay away from those threads, posts and subjects that displease me, I am never closed to the thought that I can get something from reading them, or unappreciative of the fact that variety is the spice of my life.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:58 pm
Heeven is a poopity head.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:58 pm
At the risk of sounding nasty, (which you know I don't intentionally do) I have to point out that A2K is not the real world and it isn't like the real world in that we can ignore people here and we don't HAVE to reply or even read their posts. We can go away from the computer to cool off or we can take an extended sabatical (like so many veteran posters have done) .

Momma, it's always sad to see someone leave, especially when they feel like they have no other choice. Personally, I think that the choice of whether or not to read or post is the beauty of A2K, the beauty of being able to talk about real world situations or being able to ignore them! I think it's the perfect place to hash and rehash issues that would really get out of hand in person. Can you imagine how some of these conversations would end had they been done in person? Shocked It does get a little nasty in here but nothing compared to various other sites I've seen or debates in the real world.

I admittedly have a pretty tough skin but there have been times when I wanted to literally throw my computer out the window because someone made me so upset. However, I would simply end the conversation and not return, sometimes after a snotty end comment, sometimes without posting another word. That's the beauty of it. You are not forced to respond.

Momma, if you want my honest opinion, I think you try too hard to make people understand something they don't want to understand. You can literally type yourself to death and still not make a dent in the armor. I think that the converstations you get yourself in are very intense conversations that have no right or wrong answer (at least one that can be proved). I rarely see you anywhere other than spirituality and religion. Why don't you try some other threads and see how it goes? Perhaps you've said all you can say to people on the S&R forum. Some people will not budge in their beliefs any more than you will budge in yours. It is a life reality we must accept, on the internet or in real life.

You said that you think no one believes you have any feelings but I think that's wrong. Some people are nasty no matter what. But I think you know that most people here don't intentionally try and hurt your feelings. And the ones who do, you should just stay away from. You can't be hurt by someone you won't allow to hurt you.

On that note, if you want to leave, that is of course your choice and I wish you all the best. But I have yet to find a forum on the internet that is as fair, civil and intelligent as A2K. I wish you the best and hope that you find whatever it is you are looking for. God speed.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:00 pm
I am so NOT childish.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:00 pm
Taking your ball and going home, eh?

Just like Frank.

I had hoped for more.

Best wishes, MA.

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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:07 pm
...but Heeven is right!

MOAN, you're obviously upset and emotional. Wait until
you have calmed down and then make a rational decision.

I certainly don't share your religious beliefs, but I have
agreed with you on other topics. Perhaps you'd like to
venture out into other sub-categories and chat there for
a bit, and avoid the religious sub altogether - for a while
at least.

I guess we all avoid and/or ignore one or the other member
for obvious reason, no need to get along with everybody,
but quitting isn't the answer either. You're stronger than that!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:08 pm
Momma Angel,

I said what I wanted to say in a PM. I offer you my signature line as well:

Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission - Eleanor Roosevelt

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Heeven
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:17 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Heeven is a poopity head.


And can I say, I adore the pants off Dys! You just break it down so well. That's what I really meant to say - we are all poopity heads but I went on and on ....

One day I will learn.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:28 pm
Heeven wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Heeven is a poopity head.


And can I say, I adore the pants off Dys! You just break it down so well. That's what I really meant to say - we are all poopity heads but I went on and on ....

One day I will learn.

all is forgiven, you may now touch my Stetson.(with reverence)
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:39 pm
MA, sorry to see you go. Best of luck with all of your projects, and hope to see you back.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:39 pm
God bless you, MA.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:43 pm
Momma, I do wish you reconsider. Remember, when all that nastiness was going down on 'let's pray for the troops' thread? how people (me including) were complaining about religion poluting public space. you and others held that we can always chose to avoid such thread and allow others to express themselves in the way they desire? well i had to accept and endorse that argument. but now that also applies to us, individual posters - we can avoid some threads or posters, and shouldn't take everything personally.

plus, why leave with such a bang? what's the departing message, that we're all a nasty evil bunch? i know i know, you highlighted a few times that you mean some people, but frankly i don't get these public displays - neither of religion, nor of emotions. if it's for some people, what is the rest of us to make of it? i guess i won't get to learn your take on it now, unless you reconsider and come back. That would be neat. There are still plenty of topics left to debate.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:46 pm
Ah, she should come and play in General where the real poopity heads hang out for a bit until she calms down.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:48 pm
Heh!

I have to say I'm curious if she was thinking of me with the "tear someone to shreds" bit. The timing and some of the phrasing leads me to think so. I'd really like to see an example of incivility from me to her.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:53 pm
Oh?

I have only read very positive comments about you from MA.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:54 pm
I see you flexin that mighty arm, soz.

Skeers me, I tellya. Smile
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 02:57 pm
There are very, very few members who have ever left here because of harsh talk. One is tempted to suspect that your beliefs are not strong enough to withstand questioning.
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