Let's discuss the Big bang!

Brandon9000--

Are you calling me ignorant? What's your point? If you want to have a debate, let's debate.

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Chai Tea,

What you say is physically impossible. when something explodes you have a center of explosion and whatever the mass that explodes is, the outer parts move farther away than the inner parts. put a firecracker inside an orange and it will create a circular MESS, have you. Issac Newton's law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". During an explosion the outsied shell of an object will exert force back to the center before moving out, there for sending force back to the center of the event, causing the inner most fragments to move slower than the outside fragments ( hence the mushroom cloud effect ).
when plotting the perimitter of the exploded orange, you can not call every point the center because any object only has one center.

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his2serve,

Welcome to A2K! Love your wife BTW!

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His2serve--

(Sorry for cutting in, Chai)
Chai is right. Everywhere is the "center", because nothing existed outside of the Big Bang.

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his2 - you're thinking globally, not universally.

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Wicked Wanda gets banged and there is a creation: a child!

By the way red shift indicates the stars are moving away.

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The globe is round, and the universe is flat.
I am the first person to believe that the universe is flat.

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how do you get flat, satt?

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Exactly! After any explosion here on earth, there is a center and an end, but not so in the universe, then if scientist can detect the speed of masses moving away from us, and the light is uniform around us that puts us at the center, because if we wern't, then we would have masses coming towards us at slower speeds on one side and others moving faster away on the other side, but this is not the case.

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Re: Let's discuss the Big bang!

his2serve wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:
First off, I saw a movie a few nights ago with some of my friends on the big bang theory, and I have to admit...it was pretty fascinating. I learned some things I never knew and I'm willing to learn more. If anyone has anything to share about this subject, I'd greatly appreciate it. I PROMISE not to say anything bad.

OK...I decided to stop being so judgemental to those who I have been. I'm sorry. I'm no better than anyone else. We're all just people. If any of you met me in real life, you would see I'm very different than on here. I'm just a regular person with a normal life doing everyday things...no biggie.

So....does anyone have any knowledge they'd like to share? I am interested in what YOU believe. In what YOU think and like I said earlier, I will not judge, condemn, and all that bad stuff. I would like this to remain a civil conversation.

Thank you all for any input!!!
I cannot wait to hear your response.

hey,
how are you?
you may be interested to know that scientist have been able to determine our proximity in the universe using the color of light of objects moving away from us, blue being farther and faster and red being closer and slower. this is important because if you believe in the big bang theory and that every thing moves from the center of the BANG!, scientist have found using that light color method that we are pretty much the center of the universe, and that all other solar systems and galaxies are moving away from US at the same speed, and that we are in fact at the center of the Universe. The odds off this are 1,000,000,000 to 1. Read (I can't remeber the authors name) "Alien invasion".
It is fascinating and eye opening!

Are you able to dig up the author's name?

Anyone else have comments on this?

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littlek wrote:

how do you get flat, satt?

What is the Structure of the Universe?

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talk7200'
I think I made that clear that all stars are moving away from us " AT THE SAME SPEED"

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his2serve wrote:

Chai Tea,

What you say is physically impossible. when something explodes you have a center of explosion and whatever the mass that explodes is, the outer parts move farther away than the inner parts. put a firecracker inside an orange and it will create a circular MESS, have you. Issac Newton's law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". During an explosion the outsied shell of an object will exert force back to the center before moving out, there for sending force back to the center of the event, causing the inner most fragments to move slower than the outside fragments ( hence the mushroom cloud effect ).
when plotting the perimitter of the exploded orange, you can not call every point the center because any object only has one center.

The Big Bang can't be compared to a firecracracker going off in an orange. The univerise is not round in shape.
It's that at the moment following the BB space "streched"

I looked up a couple of examples from The Fabric of the Cosmos.

Think of poppy seed muffin dough. As the muffin bakes, the poppy seeds move away from each other, not from one central site, but all over, so each poppy seed is moving away from each other on its own. Each seed is its own center.

Another way to look at it.....tape pennies to a partically blown up balloon.
As you add more air to the balloon, the material streches, and each penny moves away from the other. Each penny is its own center.

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satt - interesting..... why flat and not one of the other two options?

Oops - I just continued to read.... nemmind.

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his2serve wrote:

hey,
how are you?
you may be interested to know that scientist have been able to determine our proximity in the universe using the color of light of objects moving away from us, blue being farther and faster and red being closer and slower. this is important because if you believe in the big bang theory and that every thing moves from the center of the BANG!, scientist have found using that light color method that we are pretty much the center of the universe, and that all other solar systems and galaxies are moving away from US at the same speed, and that we are in fact at the center of the Universe. The odds off this are 1,000,000,000 to 1. Read (I can't remeber the authors name) "Alien invasion".
It is fascinating and eye opening!

Yeap, Chai Tea has it right.
No matter which galaxy we happen to be in, virtually all of the other galaxies are moving away from us (the exceptions are at the local level: gravitational attraction pulls neighboring galaxies, such as Andromeda and the Milky Way, closer together). In other words, it's not as though we here on earth are at the center of the universe and everything else is receding from us. The universe has no "edge" as such.
It also means that the galaxies are not moving away through space, they are moving away with space, as space itself expands. Think of a loaf of unbaked raisin bread you've set in a warm place to rise. The raisins are like galaxies or clusters of galaxies, and the dough, space. As the dough rises, the raisins move farther apart, but they've moved with the dough, not through the dough.
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/ExpandUni.html

http://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/hubble/tools/doppler.html
has a flash presentation of why it seems we're the center

Dr. Russell Humphreys seems to be the major proponent of the "earth as the center of the universe" theory, but while Answers in Genesis and Institute for Creation Research publish his works on their websites, other creationists have pointed out that there are errors in his model You can see the rebuttals here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/distance.html#creationists
Scroll down to "Russell Humphreys' Starlight and Time" or, heck, read the whole thing.

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littlek wrote:

satt - interesting..... why flat and not one of the other two options?

Universe 'Proven Flat' (BBC)

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Re: Let's discuss the Big bang!
Ooops, sorry! Should have read before I posted. Oh well, now we have poppyseeds and raisins.
P

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satt_fs wrote:

littlek wrote:
how do you get flat, satt?

What is the Structure of the Universe?

Exactly - Evidence (see Brandon, evidence :wink: ) points to the universe being flat, since it goes on without a boundry..if it was curved, it would eventually meet itself again....may not be saying that exactly right, but it's the best I can say.

his2serve - your comments would be interesting if you weren't so quick to say something was physically impossible.

Cosmology has gone way beyond Newton, who knew nothing of quantum mechanics and relativity.

Also, your statement that the odds of something happening as a billion to one is way understated.

I really know very little about it compared to others on this forum, I'm hesitant to say much as I'm not educated in that field....but the little I know, or am learning boggles my mind.

Oh, in one part of the book, Einstein was quoted as saying that quantum mechanics was "spooky" at that moment I didn't know what he meant, but soon after I had a glimmer, and just sat there and said...whooooooaaaaa.
Something about how an action in the future (our present) could effect and change something from the past i.e., something many light years away.

whooooooaaaaaa.

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Satt, thanks, I'm going to have to read that when I'm more awake!

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Pauligirl wrote:

Ooops, sorry! Should have read before I posted. Oh well, now we have poppyseeds and raisins.
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and pennies and balloons.

if we hired a clown, we could have a party.

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