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Doubt cast on age of oldest human art

 
 
Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 07:36 pm
Doubt cast on age of oldest human art
11:00 18 April 03
Jenny Hogan - newscience.com

If the rock art in the Chauvet cave is 30,000 years old, it is the most ancient example of human art in existence and the implications for the evolution of culture are immense. This date is accepted and celebrated by archaeologists. But could it be wrong?

"I would be astounded if this date proves to be correct," leading archaeologist Paul Bahn says now. "It flies in the face of all we know about ice-age art." He has reignited the debate about the age of the paintings at Chauvet by questioning the science that says they are so old. The controversy is currently dividing the archaeology community.

The Chauvet cave was discovered in a valley in southern France in 1994. Its walls are a spectacular gallery of prehistoric art and the depictions of wild animals - rhino, lions and bison among others - are so sophisticated that specialists in ice-age art first assumed they must be relatively recent. Certain features, such as animals shown face on, also suggested that the cave paintings were about 15,000 years old.

But a few months later, tiny samples of black charcoal were scraped from some of the pictures and sent away for radiocarbon dating. The date that came back from the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Science (LSCE) in Gif-sur-Yvette, France, shocked everyone. It suggested that the paintings dated to the very beginning of the Upper Paleolithic era, around 30,000 years ago (New Scientist print edition, 13 July 1996).




People are generally wary of stylistic dating, explains Paul Pettitt, an archaeologist at the University of Oxford. So once the more "scientific" radiocarbon results were available, most researchers dismissed the more recent date suggested by the paintings themselves.

Instead the carbon data was used to support the revolutionary theory that sophisticated art developed extremely rapidly once modern humans arrived in Europe, and archaeologists who thought culture evolved over millennia were sidelined.

There is good reason to doubt chronologies based purely on style, admits Chris Witcombe, an art historian at Sweet Briar College in Virginia. He explains the difficulty with an analogy: "Imagine you are living in the distant future and only two objects survive from a lost and forgotten past: a painting by Picasso and a painting by Michelangelo. Which is the earlier work and which the later?"

But archaeologists must also be wary of radiocarbon dates, argue Pettitt and Bahn in a paper that appeared in Antiquity last month. Bahn's suspicions were aroused when he translated the latest coffee-table book on the Chauvet cave into English. Around 30 radiocarbon ages are presented in this book, but the measurements were all made at the same French laboratory. Using results from only one team, however skilled, just is not scientific, says Bahn.

Worse, the same laboratory is currently embroiled in an argument over the age of the artwork in another cave, Candamo in Spain. They dated black dots on its walls to 30,000 years ago, but Geochron Laboratories in Cambridge, Massachusetts, estimated the age of a second sample to be just half that.

The point is that carbon dating rock art is difficult. Because the samples tend to be incredibly tiny, it is difficult to measure the number of carbon-14 atoms relative to other carbon isotopes - the key ratio for pinning down the age.

"Everybody agrees there are problems," says Marvin Rowe, who heads a radiocarbon-dating lab at Texas A&M University in College Station. Contamination from groundwater or rock scrapings may further confuse the results.

Jean Clottes, the archaeologist at the French Ministry of Culture who led the team exploring the cave, stands by his Chauvet results. But he has agreed to send Rowe a sample of charcoal from the cave floor, so that they can compare their results. This is crucial, says Pettitt. "We are not saying the dates are necessarily incorrect, but they need to be checked."
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 08:38 pm
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I pulled out my copy of Chauvet, Deschamps and Hillaire (1996 Abrams) and they are less absolute about the dates then the popular press would have you believe. The in fact had three clusters of dates, all that were presented with one standard deviation (68% probability). These clusters were c. 31,000 BP, c. 26,500 BP, and c.24,000 BP. (page 122) Keep in mind that radio carbon dates are statistical not absolute dates They further stated that the could not be certain which date could be assigned to the wall art. Paul Bahn wrote the introduction to that publication so he is certainly aware of the inconclusiveness of the dating. There are two problems here. First, they used only a French lab (typical French) and secondly the popular pressed fastened on to the earliest possible date and ran with. And that is always good for the sequel "THE EXPERTS WERE WRONG" .Well the fact of the matter is that the experts were making their best educated guess with the data at hand. If new data comes in then the thinking changes
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Apr, 2003 01:45 am
Acquiunk--Do the other cave s in Europe and the near East that show paintings, show clusters of dates around the same times? Has anyone presented graphically, such data? Im a fan of memetic transfer of techn ology and traditions as a "no earlier than" concept and have always questioned outliers of data. (this is the second thread today that this was mentioned)
Ive always been suspicious of c14 data that gets greater than 1/2 the limit of its temporal validity and especially data that is derived from limestone sources. The HCO3 derived from the limestone and transported by groundwater is probably Silurian in age and it would only take a teeny bit of adsorbed CO2 to skew down the readings. Im way out of my field here but sometimes we do more technical analyses only because WE CAN, and not because the work is crying out to be done.
i agree with your critique of popular press posing as science. (Nick wade-"slowly I turned")

Anyway, I like Geochron data because they are quick to jump in and take part in the QA process.We often use them for water basin flow tracking for mineral exploration and they always come up with ideas to improve our sampling
I remember the poor French chemistry data that surrounded the Perrier /benzene reports. It turned out that the benzene-in-the -bottles was incorrectly sourced as the spring, when any idiot from an ePA lab would have easily shown that the source was from bottle washing in organic detergents.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 19 Apr, 2003 02:49 pm
Do other sites show clusters of dates around the same time? Very good question. Chauvet may have (at the moment) the earliest date but it does not extend it back very far. The next earliest dates are at Cosquer in the Rhone Valley dated c. 28,370 (+- 440) BP. What is unique about Chauvet is the range and sophistication of the parietal art. Nothing like it is seen until the Solutrean some 12,000 years later. I should point out that the European Pleistocene is not my area of expertise, I just teach it as part of a broader course in old world prehistory. Secondly, parietal art is a specialized bailiwick and European parietal art is a clique in which it helps tremendously to be French. The basic introductory text to this subject in English both parietal and portable is Bahn and Vertut, Journey through the Ice Age (1997 Wiedenfeld and Nicholson) (great book, bad title) They state explicitly that most chronological schemes are "simplistic" and that wall art is "extremely difficult to date"... (page 59-60). Many of the French dating schemes are based on stylistic consideration, for what that is worth. As for the validity of c14 dates derived from limestone rock, I agree with you. But say that in public and you are going to be chased by Jim Adovasio wielding a stone ax. He was savaged by this argument at Meadowcroft rock shelter although in his case it was coal. Around here the prehistorians use Beta Analytic (someone struck a deal). Most of my academic work is in historic archaeology, so it is not a major issue. Although if you're doing contact work you deal with whatever comes up. They have tried to set up a thermoluminescence lab here to little effect. The physicist is good looking but no one has much faith in her lab.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 19 Apr, 2003 03:12 pm
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 12:31 pm
thanks acquiunk. Always amazed at the resources out there runnin free.
Im not a big fan of thermoluminescence because Ive never seen the 'originator dose" well backed up.

I guess the concept of doing any contextual stratigraphy at most of these caves has been destroyed by centuries of tourists and 'gentlemen archeologists'
wow you mention Adevisio and the Meadowcroft site, Ive met Adevisio at a seminar at Penn and was amazed at some of the basic stratigraphic data and site geology he has stipulated to without rigorous testing . for example, there were some students that were doing alpha track analyses on cultural artifacts.As I understood, many of these artifacts were taken from bottoms of middens and in the midden mix. i always thought if artifacts get reburied in rock fall and cave bottom piles of junk, alpha tracking becomes kind of unusable.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 03:54 pm
People forget that Meadowcroft was designed in 1974 as a teaching and experimental excavation out of the University of Pittsburgh. It was not intentionally a research excavation, although all excavations result in research data. The original purpose of Meadowcroft was to train a generation of northeast archaeologist and wean them from what was admittedly some fairly sloppy excavation standards. Adovasio, who at the time had no excavation experience (library dissertation), was hired to run it and was given a budget and technology that was everybody's dream (instant jealousy and back stabbing) basically because he was Jess Jennings student (The Grand Old Man of North American Prehistory). The excavations at Meadow were meticulous, and the technology was cutting edge. For example they had a computer on site by virtue of a direct link to U. Pitt's mainframe 10 years before the PC or lap top was a gleam in anybody's eye. I t would not surprise me if they looked for neutrinos at Meadowcroft, they had the money (U. Pitt, Miller Foundation, NSF, National Geographic) to do what ever they wanted. Also because it was a teaching excavation there were a lot of student (and Grad student) projects that never saw the light of publication beyond a presented paper. Adovasio has two problems at Meadowcroft . First his date are the earliest around in a region chock-a-block with coal although his radio carbon analyst (Oxford University Radiocarbon Lab UK) swears up and down on the King James bible that there was no contamination of the samples. Secondly pollen analysis of the pre Clovis (11,500 BP) strata suggest an ecology more consistent with the mid archaic altithermal than a glacial margin. My old Quartenary Geology Professor Robert Black was not too perturbed about that. He pointed out to me that a glacial margin at 41 degrees latitude has a whole different set of parameters then a margin at say the arctic circle and pointed to a number of mountain glaciers that terminate in relatively benign climates. Including one in Alaska that has had a forest growing on it. In any case Adovasio feels that he has unfairly taken it on the chin and he's mad about it. See his screed "The First Americans", Adovasio and Page 2002 Random House.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 22 Apr, 2003 06:58 am
ive wondered about Paleo sites in the Pa bounds. are you familiar with the Shoop site? This site, located in NE pa was pretty-much plundered in the 30's for paleo points and other cultural stuff and, as a result of the plunder I dont believe there were many detailed excavations there. Meadowcroft, however seems to be an anomalously old site that doesnt conform to other paleo sites in north America.

ill have to get the Adavasio book.
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