Indifference/ The Most Effective Response to Irrationality

What's sad for me is that I I started to think the Christians were such a bunch of boobs. I felt sorry for posters like partyjohn and The Other One as they were run over by superior knowledge and wit. It's like Momma brought in her fold and feed them to the lions.

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GW, partyjohn wanted publicity for his forum - he's getting plenty of it now.

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Well Greenwitch, guess what? I didn't know who partyjohn or The Other One were until after they joined A2K. I did not meet them until they joined. So, try again. I had nothing to do with them posting on A2k.

Feeding them to the lions? Surely you wouldn't equate posters on A2K with Christian eating lions?

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I hope everyone here sees how futile it is to attempt to engage MOAN--she will rant on, no matter what someone else posts, and no matter how badly she has made herself appear. She is obsessed, and she thinks she's on a mission.

Phoenix's advice doesn't apply to MOAN because she is obsessed, and won't give it up.

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Setanta,

Oh quite the contrary. Not obsessed. I'm just willing to get this all out in the open and get it done with while it's still fresh in everyone's mind.

So, if anyone's got questions, ask! I'll answer them.

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Momma Angel wrote:

And I don't suppose that there isn't a little pack of non-believers that will go in there and pat another poster on the back for something? So, it's ok for non-believers but not for Christians, right? I mean, it's ok for some to high five someone else because of what they posted but God forbid (pun intended) that a believer would actually hope someone would do that?

Ehhmmm ... there is a rather obvious difference between complimenting a fellow-A2K-poster on a post you agree with, and going to another site and there specifically recruit new members to the A2K to turn A2K into a Christian (sorry, "God-glorifying"), Communist, Vegan or whatever site.

Again, if you sincerely believe thats all the same thing and you're now just being unfairly victimized, then you're just not being honest to yourself.

The ad hominems (a new angle for you, I believe) also suggests, to me, that you're "over-screaming" yourself right now, as we say in Dutch - over-screaming your own discomfort about what you did, perhaps? Well, not to me to further speculate.

Momma Angel wrote:

I specifically did not tell them what to post. I only wanted more Christians to be on the site. So what?

(repeat) Momma, Momma, come on ... this is what you wrote:

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And those of you that do not post on Able2know.com, I encourage you to do so. We are in a spiritual war today. [..] I want to see this site grow to be something so glorifying to God! We can all do that by finding others to come here. [..] We have to put forth our best Christlike armor [..] We can be a mighty army for the Lord.

That's not tantamount to telling them to "join and start preaching"?

You're now going down to the level of a poster who, in another thread just now, told someone to "stick" something "up where the sun dont shine" and then, when, being called on the insult, indignantly postured about how he hadnt actually literally said anything about an anus... hipocrisy, isnt that a sin of some sort too?

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It is obvious to me that MOAN is obsessed, that she thinks she is on some kind of crusade. No more telling evidence can be found than her reference to "the Beast" in the post quoted from that other cesspit of a web site.

She won't be willing to let this matter drop, because she is obsessed, and now estimates that she can tough it out, that she can make her lies and deception out to be something else.

Anyone who attempts to engage her in such an exercise is a fool, and will be playing her game, by her rules.

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Nimh,

When I posted on that other site asking other Christians to come to this site, I only had the thought of perhaps if there were more Christians it would counteract some of what the non-believers were posting. That I will not deny. I did not, however, think that we were going to storm A2K and convert the lot of you. I have always maintained I cannot save anyone. Yes, I thought if there were more Christians maybe, just maybe some of the mocking of God would stop. Exactly how, I don't know.

I completely understand how some of this is hard for others to accept. I completely understand.

I'm not trying to overscream anything, Nimh. When I face problems, I face them head on. I will discuss them until both sides are understood. I like things to get settled and over with. It's fresh in everyone's minds right now so I feel that is the best time to do it.

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Dance, dance Little Queenie, dance ! ! !

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For anyone not buying the bullshit, she called it a WAR, referred to them as an ARMY, and told them to wear their ARMOR.

I'd be ashamed to tell such a ******* bald faced LIE alongside the posts brought by other people to PROVE what A ******* LIAR I was.

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nimh wrote:

A while ago, in a post that was subsequently praised by some, I wrote:
Setanta wrote:
However, the big clincher is that the point has nothing to do with the troops. The point is that this site has a high page rank, and therefore, MOAN gets to put her virutal mug out there, associated with the prayer clap trap, on web pages more likely to be seen by casual, virtual passers-by than at any other site.

That is why it's happening here, precisely because of the success this site enjoys. [..] She is here trolling for recruits and trying to keep herself, personally, before the public. The prayer crap is a sham.

OK, this appears to be your main argument. That the prayer thread is a front, and that in reality she is abusing A2K as a recruitment tool.

Personally, I dont believe a word of that. [She's] no different from any of us others who put forward certain views or perspectives. So it's not a question of one of those explicit recruitment / advertisement moves that are forbidden in the TOS.

Instead, then, breaking it down, I understand your gripe to be that Momma Angel is overly active in expressing and propagating her views / beliefs / opinions, in as many threads as she can handle, which you interpret as a recruitment strategism. But it is no different from what many of the Politics buffs do here or have done. Theres been no end to the posters who have expressed, pleaded and defended their personal political agenda here on A2K as much as they liked. It is an open forum, after all, where people can express and push for their political views.

It can be annoying, for sure. We talked of Swolf, yesterday, who would turn any thread into a defence of the victimised Serbs. Cjhsa will never stop starting threads propagating gun rights. BBB will post an unending flow of articles that support / push her leftist critique of the Bush administration. If none of that is considered a devious attempt to abuse the page ranking of A2K for recruiting afficionados, why is this different? (And A2K isnt exactly the heart of the universe either, if that were the purpose she'd have chosen a better venue no?)

Well, now it seems like I owe Setanta an apology.

In another thread (the "masturbation is evil" one), someone found a link in a poster's profile to a forum called "spiritwarrior". If you look up the posts there that mention "A2K" you get 11 hits. They include these ...

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Momma Angel
Posted: 01 01 12, 2006 8:08 pm

Hi Everyone!

How has God blessed me today? He sent me some real angels! Some know me from A2K, some don't. It's getting rough on that forum. The non-believers are really rebelling against God's word. I think those of you that post on A2K realize that.

I am asking if any of you do go to A2K and post in the Spirituality & Religion Forums, please DO NOT post in the threads that the atheists start that clearly are to mock the Lord! If we stay out of those threads, they will die from their own evil.

And those of you that do not post on Able2know.com, I encourage you to do so. We are in a spiritual war today. We need as many Christians as we can possibly get to stand united against the father of lies.

I want to see this site grow to be something so glorifying to God! We can all do that by finding others to come here. But, please, please, do not PM or directly ask anyone on A2K to join SpiritWarriors. That's against the TOS. I am in contact with a lot of the Christians there and I am telling them about this site to get them to come here.

We have to put forth our best Christlike armor we can my brothers and sisters in Christ. The Beast knows that his time is short and he grows angry. [..]

Love in Christ,

Momma Angel

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my-2-punkins
Posted: 01 01 13, 2006 11:03 pm

Hi MA!!! 99067

I'll be at A2K later tonight. I'll do what you said about the athiests threads. I hope I remember!

You said what I've been thinking...to send more people to there thru here. We could certainly use more Christians!

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Momma Angel
Posted: 01 01 15, 2006 8:24 pm

[..] Yes! Have you noticed the change on A2K? It seems most of the contention is disspitating! Praise God for that!

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my-2-punkins
Posted: 01 01 15, 2006 9:59 pm

Thanks!

I *have* noticed! I have to say, you're doing a great job.

Alot better than I could do since I lose my patience.

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Momma Angel
Posted: 01 01 15, 2006 11:27 pm

Little Mouse,

It's not me doing anything. It is He that is within me. Like I said, half the time I'm not sure what I even typed. Your input is invaluable on A2K. We need to encourage all Christians to register and start posting in the Spirituality & Religion Forums. I guess if Set thinks I am recruiting Christians I might as well start doing it!

So, tell everyone. I am telling everyone about this site and trying to help get more to register. We can be a mighty army for the Lord.

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Irish Rose
Posted: 01 01 16, 2006 1:30 am

What is A2K?

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my-2-punkins
Posted: 01 01 16, 2006 11:25 pm

A2K is able2know.com. It's an all religion forum with so many lost people it's scary. There's even people who call themselves Christian but have some serious blinders on. You would be very welcomed there if you were to go (by the Christians anyway), LOL. [..]

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Irish Rose
Posted: 01 01 17, 2006 2:22 am

Thanks for the info on A2K. I might have to stop in. I am pretty good with apologetics (I better be, i am a full time street evanglist )

And, after all of this came out on the "is masturbation evil" thread...

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Momma Angel
Posted: 01 01 31, 2006 3:42 pm

Hello Everyone,

Earlier in this thread I made a request that we get as many Christians as possible to go to Able2Know.com and stand for the Lord. I am now asking you NOT to go to Able2Know.com. They are very angry that I have asked other Christians to join and I don't want anyone to reap their anger. I will not be posting there myself any longer. I let them know that yes, I did post what I posted on this site (they even copied it and put it on A2K) and I will not apologize for it. However, I did paint with a rather wide brush in my original request. Not all the people that do not believe in God on A2K are actively aggressive with those that do believe. Some I have found to be very kind and fair people. So, I do apologize for that generalized statement.

Again, please DO NOT go to A2K because I asked you to do it. I am not sorry that I asked because I will stand up for the Lord no matter what the adversity.

Thank You,

Momma Angel

She doesnt appear to have a clue what is bad about telling people here, again and again, that no, she isnt here to proselytise, she is only here to learn about things, to think about things herself, not to recruit anyone ... and then us seeing that meanwhile, this is what she posts about her real motivation.

I mean, her answer, earlier on, to Sozobe's fair and politely asked question in this post suddenly seems sickeningly hypocritical ... you know, where she went,

Momma Angel wrote:
Sozobe wrote:
There is a persistent undercurrent here; that you feel your work here is to bring us unbelievers into the fold. Why did you first show up at A2K? Why is your participation overwhelmingly in the area of religion? You have repeatedly said that your own faith is unshakeable, that you are not re-examining it, that you are in no danger of changing your mind; what is your goal in putting so much time and energy into these discussions, then?

[..] I post mainly in the S&R forum because I love to talk about God. I love to learn about God. I have learned a lot from those that are non-believers. Things about Christian history I had no clue about. So, I ask questions when I see something I don't understand. Sometimes I'm sure I sound pretty stupid because I didn't have a clue as to what a strawman was and half the time I am looking up words I've never seen before. But, is my intent to bring unbelievers into the fold? I am really ashamed to say this, but no. I know I should be trying to do that and yes, I'd be thrilled if someone did believe but I can't convert anyone. Also, I know it's against the TOS to try to induce anyone into believing and I've already been suspended for an infraction (it was not for prostelytizing) and I don't want to do that again.

Sozobe wrote:
I ask these questions not because I personally am offended in any way, but because this undercurrent is a big part of the reaction you garner here, and if you'd like to outright deny it, here is your chance.

I completely understand why there would be an undercurrent here. I have no problem accepting that at all. And like I said, I'd be thrilled if someone did "come to Jesus" because they read something I posted and wanted to know more, but, I can't convert anyone. I believe that with all my heart. That is something only God can do. I just want to learn more. I want to learn more about me, about you and others and God.

Lies or just schizo shifts between states of mind?

Sorry, Set. I can be a bit naive some times, I guess.

First I will say I am not affiliated with this "spiritwarrior" site and I have just heard about it today.

Nihm, first I will say this is dirty of you. Don't you see Momma Angel has done this out of concern for you all? Do you even care how you have invaded her own privacy? Yes, it is on the net but there is a thing called netiquette and this violates that ethical standard.

Do you even wonder if you maybe have embarrassed her and saddened her? Well you have... and you suck.

I am sure you owe her an apology. And I am also sure you don't want to tangle with me because unlike her I will tell you what I really think of you! Then you will have to thank her because she will be the only one here who I respect enough to attempt to calm me down when I get on a vindictive roll... and she does care.

Do you want me to find things on the net you have posted to your own friends is semi private situations and post them here?

You atheists and aggies have you own pig pile and it is wise of her to bring people into this forum who are highly studied and articulate in biblical thought to combat your (and maybe some of her own) ignorance of the scriptures.

Just because you hate God does not mean you cannot be civilized, or maybe not. Prove me wrong.

She is too good of a person to be rotten like you are but I will have the last word I will assure you of that.

Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

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It would be nice if this forum could attract a few philosophy professors and life long critical biblical thinkers but when you stoop to tactics like this it is no wonder the bolt you all stay so obviously oblivious to the truth.

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In this post, with a time stamp of 3:42 p.m. on today's date:

MOAN, at the spiritwarrior site, wrote:

Earlier in this thread I made a request that we get as many Christians as possible to go to Able2Know.com and stand for the Lord. I am now asking you NOT to go to Able2Know.com. They are very angry that I have asked other Christians to join and I don't want anyone to reap their anger. I will not be posting there myself any longer.[/b][/i] I let them know that yes, I did post what I posted on this site (they even copied it and put it on A2K) and I will not apologize for it. However, I did paint with a rather wide brush in my original request. Not all the people that do not believe in God on A2K are actively aggressive with those that do believe. Some I have found to be very kind and fair people. So, I do apologize for that generalized statement.

Again, please DO NOT go to A2K because I asked you to do it. I am not sorry that I asked because I will stand up for the Lord no matter what the adversity.

Thank You,

Momma Angel

(emphasis added)

It seems that this member cannot stop the lies . . . she is posting here eight hours after making that statement at the other site.

There's a name for people like that . . .

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Momma Angel wrote:

Nimh,

When I posted on that other site asking other Christians to come to this site, I only had the thought of perhaps if there were more Christians it would counteract some of what the non-believers were posting. That I will not deny. I did not, however, think that we were going to storm A2K and convert the lot of you. [..] Yes, I thought if there were more Christians maybe, just maybe some of the mocking of God would stop.

Yes, you were just very modestly, shily, trying to gently come up with ways to perhaps, well, at most stop some of this mocking, you know?

Hence the talk of joining A2K being part of a "cultural war" and those joining A2K's ranks of Christians forming a "mighty army of the Lord".

I mean, you sound like one of those Islamic fundamentalists on that other site.

The Q of whether or not you recruited how many others is a side issue to me, btw. Its the whole dissembling thing about your own motivations that I found most offensive.

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Setanta,

It's called changing your friggin mind! Big deal! I wasn't going to post anymore and I wouldn't have but I got drug back into this mess by someone posting stuff about me.

You ever change your mind about anything? Huh? I mean, I know you are perfect and all, so I guess you always make a decision and stick to it, right?

Like I give a flying flip what you think! You have been nothing but nasty to me save one time. And I had gained respect for you at that time. However, your actions since then have taken away any respect I had for you and I know you could care less if I respected you at all.

You seem to relish in putting me down. Oh don't, don't even try to post back to me how you don't do it, how you just attack my argument, blah, blah, blah. Get real for once! You won't even admit you use the words you do to attack me in an indirect manner. I'm not stupid and neither is anyone else. I'm sure it's quite obvious to others as well.

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Nimh,

It's spiritual war not cultural war.

Like I said, I've told the truth. You don't accept it. That's your option.

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Jespah--

That's admission of an attack on the site.

Please review for breach of TOS.

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OMG, Lash! Better watch out, you might get prayed to death or something.

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RexRed wrote:

Nihm, first I will say this is dirty of you. [..] Do you even care how you have invaded her own privacy? Yes, it is on the net but there is a thing called netiquette and this violates that ethical standard.

Nonsense. If you go and post, on another public forum, quite explicitly, about what Able2Know is, what it's for, how you would like others to all come join it, and how you want them to all come join it because you want to turn A2K into a God-glorifying site, then YES, of course all that's going to turn up on A2K itself some time as well ... what do you expect?

If you'd have a site and I go bitch about it on some other site or tell people there to all come and change it, would you react to that on yours? Course you would. And it'd be well in your netiquette right, too.

RexRed wrote:

Do you even wonder if you maybe have embarrassed her and saddened her?

Well, I would certainly be embarassed now if I were her ... she doesnt seem to be much, tho, which doesnt say much for her.

RexRed wrote:

And I am also sure you don't want to tangle with me because unlike her I will tell you what I really think of you! Then you will have to thank her because she will be the only one here who I respect enough to attempt to calm me down when I get on a vindictive roll...

I'm scared. Not.

RexRed wrote:

Do you want me to find things on the net you have posted to your own friends is semi private situations and post them here?

What bollocks is that? What "semi private" situation? Its a public forum. One of its members put the address of it in his profile, here on this site. Thats how these posts were found back, too.

If you want to copy my posts here on A2K on another public forum, I suppose that'd be fully in your right. "To your own friends is semi private situations", though, that you just pulled out of thin air.

RexRed wrote:

You atheists and aggies have you own pig pile and it is wise of her to bring people into this forum who are highly studied and articulate in biblical thought to combat your (and maybe some of her own) ignorance of the scriptures.

Yes, the people from that site were definitely "highly studied and articulate in biblical thought"... just look at that "is masturbation evil" thread. (Not.)

RexRed wrote:

Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Yes, we know about the tendency of some Christians to think that fellow-Christians deserve to be done good on more than other people, thank you for highlighting that in bold again. The rest of us tend to believe we all equally deserve to be done good.

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Setanta wrote:

In this post, with a time stamp of 3:42 p.m. on today's date:

MOAN, at the spiritwarrior site, wrote:
Earlier in this thread I made a request that we get as many Christians as possible to go to Able2Know.com and stand for the Lord. I am now asking you NOT to go to Able2Know.com. They are very angry that I have asked other Christians to join and I don't want anyone to reap their anger. I will not be posting there myself any longer.[/b][/i] I let them know that yes, I did post what I posted on this site (they even copied it and put it on A2K) and I will not apologize for it. However, I did paint with a rather wide brush in my original request. Not all the people that do not believe in God on A2K are actively aggressive with those that do believe. Some I have found to be very kind and fair people. So, I do apologize for that generalized statement.

Again, please DO NOT go to A2K because I asked you to do it. I am not sorry that I asked because I will stand up for the Lord no matter what the adversity.

Thank You,

Momma Angel

(emphasis added)

It seems that this member cannot stop the lies . . . she is posting here eight hours after making that statement at the other site.

There's a name for people like that . . .

I have no affiliation with this spiritwarrior site and, in fact, had never heard about it until I saw it in a post from ehBeth.

Perhaps I see things in a fairer sense than you do, or maybe you think I am naive. However, I view that post asking people NOT to post on A2K and saying that she (Momma Angel) would not be posting as maybe a white lie to them than an out and out lie to us. Just maybe, she was saying that to dissuade others from posting here.

Then again, I look at it from a Christian heart, not one that suspects everyones motives in everything they say and do.

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You need to pray for yourself. Your screwy **** should keep you busy enough.

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