Man Created God With The Computer

Am waiting to learn how this will affect what we know.



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Stardust probe loaded with primordial debris
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Should be interesting

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Edgar, the conversation has taken a turn away from the objective. Why not start with the work of george LeMaitre. I have a series of papers by him that give the basis for what originated the thinking re: Big Bang. Usually it comes back to Father George, especially since Einstein loade up on him until Einstein himself became a convert. farmerman

Farmerman, if you see this, how can I access the papers of which you wrote? I have been Googling him, but haven't stumbled across his direct writings.

Ok, I am going to bed now. Obviously been at the computer too long. EB is starting to sound like me. 'Nite all.

Perhaps I should refine that statement a bit.

The universe in the story has expanded, become too thin, but for the one star. Could the one star have amassed the super core that exploded into a universe? Why does the star survive at all?

Is that the condition that preceded the Big Bang? It sets up an endless circle dependent on humanity to keep turning. That would seem the utmost presumption; begs original cause, still.

I am not sure where in the story you infer "The universe in the story has expanded, become too thin, but for the one star" can you show where this "but for the one star" reference?

It's clearly unreasonable to presume a Science Fiction short story to "seem the utmost presumption" bearing in mind the genre.

As far as the "endless circle dependent on humanity to keep turning" I'll list a few of the problems your premise generates:

1) Where in the story does it suggest that man or his ilk were precursors to any but the one event in question?

2) Your premise is based on the linear assessment of time (paradoxes of time and temporal nonlinearly etc.).

3) Your premise is built on successive and prior realties being similar enough to contain humans with similar timelines.

4) Your premise "dependent on humanity to keep turning" is false because once AC is in place there is no further need for humanity to reinvent AC.

Man's last mind paused before fusion, looking over space that included nothing but the dregs of one last dark star and nothing besides but incredibly thin matter, agitated randomly by the tag ends of heat wearing out, asymptotically, to the absolute zero.

Ah the "dregs of one last dark star" that's a mite different than "but for the one star" don't you think?

It all still begs original cause.

Yup, and if you review my points 1 to 4 & comment "bearing in mind the genre" I address this and pose questions for you.

I'll revisit the beginning of the thread this evening or during the week. I really do want to do this right. I am not well versed in this stuff, so it's not easy.

Sounds good

I re read the short story at the beginning and then read your question again. I don't think many people see evidence that the big bang will occur a second time. Also, I don't think the story provides real evidence that the method (assuming it were so) of the computer and/or humankind would work. As the story states more than once, "Insufficient Data." I have no idea what triggered the Big Bang in the first place and don't have the imagination to come up with anything.

There is of course the hypothesis that the Big Bang is one of many. Big Bang, Universe expands, Universe contracts, Big Crush, Big Bang again.

Best evidence today is that the universe is flat. That is, it will not collapse, and will not continue to expand forever.

Of course, computers evolved in the story way beyond today's capabilities, but assuming big bangs could be regular occurrences I suspect they would do so without outside help.

Sure I agree, but it spoils some of the fun of the story that in some sense man (or his effects) can become god (or it's practical equivalent).

That's where this story departs from the literal, (some would suggest) and moves into the allegorical i.e. man is god.

(I am in a mega-bracket mood today)

It's a wonderful story. I think I read it a long time ago.

Gotta be the slowest oscillator this side of an underpaid hooker's oral gyrations (joke)!So you figure we are tabletop 2 dimensional flat landers (joke)? And what after the expansion; steady state/heat death (not joke)?