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What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

 
 
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:39 am
@Thomas,
and president nixon proposed a health-insurace plan for ALL americans :

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=4215

quite amazing imo .
a health-insurance plan for ALL americans WITHOUT EXCLUSIONS !

in the president's own words from a radio address :

Quote:
The Administration plan would offer every American broad and balanced health protection through one of three major programs:

--The employee health insurance would cover most Americans and be available through their jobs. The cost would be shared by employers and employees on a fair basis.

--An improved Medicare plan would cover those 65 and over and would include additional medical costs and benefits not included under the current Medicare system.

--The assisted health insurance plan would cover low-income Americans and persons who would be ineligible for the other two programs, with the Federal and State governments paying those costs which are beyond the means of the individual insured.

The medical care offered by these three plans would be identical for all Americans regardless of age or income. Benefits would be provided for hospital care, physicians' care in and out of the hospital, prescription and lifesaving drugs, laboratory tests and X-rays, medical devices, ambulance services, and many other forms of health care.

There would be no exclusions from coverage based on the nature of the illness. A person with heart disease, for example, would qualify for benefits just as would a person with kidney disease.



quite amazing imo .

i'm wondering if foxfire and others might want to comment on it (and condemn it as fascist) .
hbg
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:41 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

parados wrote:

It's a good thing he didn't live in Germany at the time or he would have been hoodwinked by Hitler's use of language.

Well, I live in America, and I am not being hoodwinked by Obama's use of language. Are you?

For all libs, I am not claiming Obama is a murderer, but I am claiming he lies and misrepresents the truth, and I am not falling for it. Not a sucker, as his followers are.


Yaknow, one sure-fire way to spot a sucker, is to look for the guy who keeps yelling that he isn't one.

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:41 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Small problem for you, some of the policies of the Nazis, as spelled out in the 25 points, are socialist principles, beliefs, or policies. I explained that to you on Page 2.

Big problem for you: despite what they said, their actual actions were right-wing.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:42 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

okie wrote:
Nixon was not even a conservative in many ways. We knew this at the time.

I know. That's why he was one of the better ones. I think his enduring legacy was to end the draft. That alone tempts me to for give him for Watergate, although I like his starting up the EPA, too.


Don't forget price controls, that is not conservative either, and you probably would have loved that too.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:46 am
You leftists all hate Nixon because of the Rosenbergs, you just never got over it, did you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:46 am
@okie,
okie, You want perfect? Just look at yourself; full of mistakes, errors, bullshit, and contradictions. LOL
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:49 am
I'm no leftist, but I think Nixon was the most effective (best) Republican Pres in the modern era.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:51 am
@Rockhead,
And better than LBJ, Carter, or Clinton, thats for sure.

I won't include JFK, I think he may have been a cut above Nixon, although cavorting with German spy women was not all that intelligent.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:52 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Don't forget price controls, that is not conservative either, and you probably would have loved that too.

Nope -- the price controls were one policy of his that I didn't like.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:55 am
@okie,
Boy, your trolls are just pathetic.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:00 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

You leftists all hate Nixon because of the Rosenbergs, you just never got over it, did you?
Barry Goldwater calledl Nixon the "most dishonest man" he ever met.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:04 am
@dyslexia,
I was a supporter of Goldwater, dys. I would have voted for him over Nixon, but I was even more opposed to LBJ or Humphrey, or McGovern, etc. Perhaps you think LBJ of Gulf of Tonkin fame was more honest than Nixon? Or maybe you loved his daisy girl ad that was used to scare the bejeebers out of voters?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:09 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I was a supporter of Goldwater, dys. I would have voted for him over Nixon, but I was even more opposed to LBJ or Humphrey, or McGovern, etc. Perhaps you think LBJ of Gulf of Tonkin fame was more honest than Nixon? Or maybe you loved his daisy girl ad that was used to scare the bejeebers out of voters?
well gosh Okie, I'm glad to know that, however you seem to ignore what I when I noted Barry Goldwater called Nixon the most dishonest man he ever met. I said nothing re Johnson. Nice segue though Okie, I assume you're learning that from Foxfyre (the queen of segue as avoidence)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:11 am
@okie,
okie, It's real funny that you even have the temerity to use words like "fear" when the conservatives are the fear-mongerers. Conservatives do not provide counter-suggestions on solutions being debated in congress on the major problems of our day; they only talk about one fear or another without any solution. Show us all the solutions they have provided on the major issues facing our country today?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:14 am
"socialist" (1930) : "socialist" (2009) :: "spam" (1980) : "spam" (2009)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:15 am
I think those who have worked as civil servants in government in the 60s, 70s, and 80s would mostly say that we have had much worse Presidents than Nixon was. Certainly he did have some significant accomplishments during his tenure. He and Kissinger showed significant skill in difficult foreign relationsips.

Nixon and Obama did share one important trait. Both prefered a solitary approach to decision making and both circumvented traditional roles in government in favor of conducting as much policy from the White House as possible. It was likely precedence that Nixon started that let Obama's reign become the Presidency of the Czars with so little criticism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:16 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxie, If Obama is the czar, what was GW Bush?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 10:29 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I think those who have worked as civil servants in government in the 60s, 70s, and 80s would mostly say that we have had much worse Presidents than Nixon was. Certainly he did have some significant accomplishments during his tenure. He and Kissinger showed significant skill in difficult foreign relationsips.

Nixon and Obama did share one important trait. Both prefered a solitary approach to decision making and both circumvented traditional roles in government in favor of conducting as much policy from the White House as possible. It was likely precedence that Nixon started that let Obama's reign become the Presidency of the Czars with so little criticism.


Oh and note to Dys: Here's a good example of theorized segue don't you think? At least I don't have to post lies about people in order to be guilty of that.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 12:44 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

okie wrote:

I was a supporter of Goldwater, dys. I would have voted for him over Nixon, but I was even more opposed to LBJ or Humphrey, or McGovern, etc. Perhaps you think LBJ of Gulf of Tonkin fame was more honest than Nixon? Or maybe you loved his daisy girl ad that was used to scare the bejeebers out of voters?
well gosh Okie, I'm glad to know that, however you seem to ignore what I when I noted Barry Goldwater called Nixon the most dishonest man he ever met. I said nothing re Johnson. Nice segue though Okie, I assume you're learning that from Foxfyre (the queen of segue as avoidence)

I was just placing Nixon into context, dys, after all you quoted Goldwater as saying Nixon was the "most dishonest" man he had ever met, and I thought that took in alot of territory, so I thought it would be very pertinent to compare Nixon to other politicians like LBJ, etc. Dishonesty was not unique to Nixon in the group of presidents.

In my lifetime, Eisenhower would be the best president, hands down. Then Reagan, then Ford, then the Bushes, then as much as I hate to admit it, JFK. At the very bottom of the barrel is LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and Nixon, not necessarily in that order.

I did not mention Truman, but I was too little to know much about him at the time. He would probably for sure be the best of the lot, in comparison to Democrats, along with JFK.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 12:49 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

okie wrote:

I was a supporter of Goldwater, dys. I would have voted for him over Nixon, but I was even more opposed to LBJ or Humphrey, or McGovern, etc. Perhaps you think LBJ of Gulf of Tonkin fame was more honest than Nixon? Or maybe you loved his daisy girl ad that was used to scare the bejeebers out of voters?
well gosh Okie, I'm glad to know that, however you seem to ignore what I when I noted Barry Goldwater called Nixon the most dishonest man he ever met. I said nothing re Johnson. Nice segue though Okie, I assume you're learning that from Foxfyre (the queen of segue as avoidence)

I was just placing Nixon into context, dys, after all you quoted Goldwater as saying Nixon was the "most dishonest" man he had ever met, and I thought that took in alot of territory, so I thought it would be very pertinent to compare Nixon to other politicians like LBJ, etc. Dishonesty was not unique to Nixon in the group of presidents.
yes of course Okie "placing in context" is fine however you have indicated your support for both Goldwater and Nixon and I simply quoted Goldwater's assessment of Nixon. Perhaps you could respond "in context" to Goldwater's assessment of Nixon. Perhaps not.
 

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