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What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 08:46 pm
@okie,
The problem you have, okie, is you don't have any sense of what "economic freedom" should be based on. You think everything Obama is doing is "socialism/communism," because you don't understand definitions or history.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 28 Sep, 2009 11:16 am
I'd thought that I try to find some additional material backing our ideas about the economics of the NSDAP.
Avraham Barkai wrote the (still) definite book, Nazi Economic: Ideology, Theory and Policy. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a copy of that, only the (original) German version ( Das Wirtschaftssystem des Nationalsozialismus : Ideologie, Theorie, Politik, 1933 " 1945, Frankfurt, 1995).

I'm not going to translate all and everything, but only a few lines from the last, summing-up chapter (“Schluß”).

“The constant base of this {economic] system was !. The postulate of autarkic self sufficiency under preference of agriculture, which was part of the 'Lebensraum'-concept, 2. the governmental statism of production, the distribution of income, and the consumption.
[…]
Opposite all 'anti-capitalistic' terminology and the propagated 'German national Socialism' it was a capitalistic system: capitalist ownership structure stayed untouched, and each single firm and company operated as before according to the principle of maximisation of profit. That, however, within the borders of a more or less limited power of making own decisions regarding investments,
utilisation of resources, selection of products and distribution of profits.
The capitalists in this system were just as little free as was the market in which they operated and for which they produced. However, evidently they saw this loss of freedom more than compensated by they prospering business outlook and the later profits due to the armament and the wars of conquest.”

Further on, Barkai notes that “the concept of personal freedom regarding economy as well as in any other subject were diametrically opposed to the economic system of National-Socialist economy system”.




Edited: The last revised and enhanced edition from 1995/2005 hasn't been translated. The translated version is the that of the (German) 1977/1988 edition. The quotes above are from pages 227 et seq. of that edition.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 08:32 pm
News note: Obama and administration is on a pretty big mission right now attacking Fox News. I think this is worth watching very closely. Anita Dunn, whitehouse communcations director, is on record as admiring Chairman Mao as one of her top two people to listen to. No small statement, folks, this woman is apparently a Marxist, and what do Marxists love to do? Shut down the media. Is that what they have grand visions of here in this country?


Wow! What would somebody say about somebody if they said Adolf Hitler was one of their two top admired people? Not much different than what Dunn said. And Dunn is but one of many radicals in this administration. People, are you beginning to wake up to what the mantra "change" might have meant?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 12:18 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
No small statement, folks, this woman is apparently a Marxist, and what do Marxists love to do? Shut down the media. Is that what they have grand visions of here in this country?


Yes, and to top it: she even admires Mother Theresa as well! http://i37.tinypic.com/2u9q0eh.gif
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 11:51 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Quote:
Shut down the media. Is that what they have grand visions of here in this country?


You are an idiot!
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2009 10:32 am
@okie,
The president now attacking the U.S. Chamber of Commerce? Now, that seems bizarre, attacking a prime representative of us out here that are working at businesses providing goods and services that Americans want and need. That seems pretty strange, thats attacking us. Apparently its us against the bureaucrats and people that live off the government and want everything done for them by the government. Do they now out number us? Perhaps Obama thinks they may now weild enough political power to empower him to do his "change." Otherwise, why would he demonize an organization like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce? Sounds like something a communist would do to me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2009 10:56 am
@okie,
How many communists do you know, okie?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2009 11:29 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

The president now attacking the U.S. Chamber of Commerce? ... ... ... That seems pretty strange, thats attacking us. Apparently its us against the bureaucrats and people that live off the government and want everything done for them by the government.


Wikipedia wrote:
The United States Chamber of Commerce (USCC) is the world's largest not-for-profit business federation, representing
- 300,000 businesses[1] (via its Federation of local chambers and association members. Actual direct membership is several tens of thousands.)
- 2,800 state and local chambers
- 830 business associations
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Oct, 2009 07:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, What okie fails to do is the reason why the president attacked the US Chamber of Commerce.

You can't trust okie to tell the truth in most things he wishes to criticize about Obama about.

The problem is that most people read okie's posts, and accept his criticism at face value without having any knowledge about the underlying issue.
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