What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

okie, How often do you have to be told that "I'm not a liberal." I'm a moderate Independent.

Once an idea penetrates your brain, it never changes no matter how much evidence or facts are presented.

You claiming that only confirms, yes, you are a liberal. Many libs consider themselves moderates or independents, but it merely fits the desire to be all knowing, not black and white, not taking a stand, fair, riding the fence, those are all desires and claims of the liberal.

Wrong, sponge brain. The idea that liberals are not also capitalists shows your total ignorance about economics and politics.

You have also purposely ignored "attacking Jews, social democrats, liberals, reactionary monarchists, capitalists and communists,.." which should have been enough evidence that it's not about "liberals, Jews (most are capitalists), social democrats, and communists (conservatives are against communism - aren't they?)." I can probably find many posts by you MACs-conservatives who have called Obama a "communist, liberal and socialist."

All talking points of conservatives-MACs.

Obama is a "huge bust?" His present rating after six months is still one of the highest of all contemporary presidents.

If everything in the world looks to you as being on the left-hand side of the political spectrum, it can only be because you stand so far to the right.

He's way beyond being "right" on anything.

I'm more than right? Thanks, ci. Better than being wrong.

okie, You got that right, but only you "perceive" it that way.

Obama is a statist gangster.

Obama is trying to implement a medical plan that steals from those who are independently capable of obtaining--and do obtain--the private medical insurance they want.

If Obama were not a fraud and was truly trying to help those people who want, but cannot afford, private medical insurance, he would be recommending that government aid only these people finance their own private medical insurance.

Okie, it is obvious that cicerone imposter has increased his peddling of falsities.

What's puzzling me is whether he actually believes his falsities or is merely pretending to believe them.

Good for you. I don't like being misquoted either. Which is why I did not misquote you nor did I make any post that appeared to be assigning words to you that you did not say. But you did say that the "Common Good before Individual Good" was a "Christian concept" which, as Okie used the term, was a really incomprehensible thing to say.

Why? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a christian "thing." It doesn't deviate one iota from ""Common Good before Individual Good."

Yes, I did and do say so. And I mentioned Thomas of Aquinas, who wrote quite a bit about "bonum commune".

The German Worker Party (and they used the term alreqady in 1920, before the were named 'NSDAP' used the same term (in German, of course) not in this Christian meaning, but in a new, more utilitarian meaning.
Most of the other Weimar Republic parties (I don't recall the programs of all 30, 40, otherwise I would have written "all"; at least all major, larger parties) had "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" intheir programs as well, but here most certainly in old, traditional Christian meaning.
(The latter can be assumed as reason why it is an article in most of today's German state's constitutions, too.)

The thread is not about Thomas Aquinas or German government perse' though. The thread is about ruthless dictators and the personal conditioning and ideology that is pertinent in shaping what they became.

Correct, and amazingly I have been chastised here as an idiot because I have found certain common personality and experience characteristics among ruthless dicatators. I have been told that since many people that have those characteristics are not ruthless dicatators that the correlation means nothing. Foxfyre, I am amazed at the apparent lack of comprehending simple reason by some people.

So I guess little kids that have been found to torture animals, there is no worry about them, according to the reasoning by libs here, because not all of them turn out to be criminals.

But I do not mind at all debating whether Hitler was a leftist, because it does relate directly into the question of whether most ruthless dictators rise out of a leftist political agenda, which I believe most of them do, but the libs have a very big stake in arguing against that point because it is their ox that is being gored, namely people that believe in big government and a government solution for virtually any ill.

Sorry for the many "typos". But I really get angry with this.

I truly think that most misunderstanding by those few Americans, who still believe what okies has studied from their websites don't know a lot about German, neither the language nor the culture.

As said above, "Gemeinnutz" was used by liberal and democratic [NB: both terms are related to German parties, not used in the "US-translation"] parties - and the DAP/NSDAP.
The same is with "Volksgemeinschaft": the DAP/NSDAP understood it as "ethnic community" which was a very different (and new, in the German language) meaning as it was used by the other parties, namely associating it with 'socially levelling", "class-reconciling" and "politically including".

Not to speak was is written about the meaning of "Volk", "Volks-" ... (especially this website from Australia is full of nonsense about the German language and the use of it.)

Correct. And I was only again sourcing my use of "Christian concept", what you said it wasn't.

The problem is that you then took those characteristics and argued that there was causation involved. A logical fallacy on your part.

Causation? So if little kids torture animals, does it cause them to be criminals? If little kids have certain experiences when little, it may also cause them to want to torture animals, so cause or just a common denominator, it must have something to do with it. As to whether certain life experiences cause ruthless dictators, obviously people with certain life experiences still need to gain an audience and to gain political power. As to whether it is a cause, yes at least in part, but many things have to come together for it to happen. Just as certain weather conditions can cause tornados that cause damage, tornados do not always occur, and even if tornados do occur, they may not be in a position to damage anything. Same with people and politicians. But for anyone to suggest that weather conditions have no relationship to tornados, and therefore we don't need to watch weather conditions, I would say that person has no ability to use reason. Therefore, you know what I think of your reasoning, which isn't much.

Actually, you can reason, but you only use it like a sly fox lawyer, to prove your own agenda, without regard to logic.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

I would have others LET ME keep what I lawfully earn to lawfully spend for whatever I want.

THEREFORE,
I let OTHERS keep what THEY lawfully earn to lawfully spend for whatever THEY want.