Free Will

All right. Not the answer I was expecting.
I had in mind that your view of reality was such that upon your death, all existence ceases.

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From my point of view, all existance does cease.
But ultimately, life goes on.

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Doktor S wrote:

From my point of view, all existance does cease.
But ultimately, life goes on.

Interestingly, the bible agrees with your position.

"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)

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However, my position does not include a reawakening at a future date, as does the bible
Dan.12:1
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

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Doktor S wrote:

However, my position does not include a reawakening at a future date, as does the bible
Dan.12:1
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

True; I'll have to come back to that.

Meantimes, it is a pleasure to converse with someone who thinks. Even though you are incorrect. Laughing

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likewise

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neologist wrote:

OK, sorry. Is an idea an effect?

Instead of a 'cause?'

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Or neither

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Both, actually.
A link in a chain.

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Hahaha!!

you guys crack me up.

Esp. A Satanist quoting a bible verse.

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I'm cracking up, too, because this Satanist is making a whole lot more sense than any Christian I've ever met!

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I know the bible better than the vast majority of christians I have ever talked to. I read from it pretty much daily, I have a copy of the NIV in my bathroom.
Knowing the bible in a christian dominated society has proven rather a useful commodity!

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I'm the other one wrote:

Hahaha!!

you guys crack me up.

Esp. A Satanist quoting a bible verse.

Yeah; Imagine a Satanist and a Jehovah's Witness having the most civil conversation on the board. Laughing

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Yeah. Who is the Jehovah's Witness, though?

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echi wrote:

Yeah. Who is the Jehovah's Witness, though?

Hiding. Ready to leap out and beat you with his bible when you least expect it. Laughing

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Cool. I love the suspense.

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Doktor S wrote:

I know the bible better than the vast majority of christians I have ever talked to. I read from it pretty much daily, I have a copy of the NIV in my bathroom.
Knowing the bible in a christian dominated society has proven rather a useful commodity!

Fantastic. Now I'm even more confused as to what a Satanist entails than ever before. From your inital post, your brand of Satanism sounded rather Gnostic to me. Now you sound like a devout Christian.

And is that a Swastika in your avatar? Or is it a manji?

Some may argue there is no such thing as free will. It can be argued that all actions are based on the primitive desire to survive and those actions that aren't are defective and unnatural.

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Cause and effect--links in a chain. Yes that's where I'm at, in my present.

And that explains the meaning behind the phrase 'First Cause.' It has to start somewhere, and I think that the start by necessity is a 'cause.' And then, even the following 'causes' are actually compounded or secondary 'effects' that, by their place in the chain, makes them named 'causes.'

Is the first cause position the only one with 'free will' and the rest are just choices within the framework?
Or is will not a factor in the chain?

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There ain't no such animal as "free will." We are all born into an environment that will influence our thinking. It begins with our parents and siblings, then the larger village. We all come from that programmed environment that supposedly sets our thoughts and feelings. If we don't live under a tyrant government, the religion of the majority will usually influence our lives. People are born into a situation that leaves very little to chance and free will.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

People are born into a situation that leaves very little to chance and free will.

Society plays a role in the choices we are presented with, certainly. Yet we have the final say in how we live in that society under said choices. Thus the presence of free will.

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