How is it double murder? Our legal inconsistencies!

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How is it possible for this man to be considered guilty of a double murder when only one human being with rights was destroyed?

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/photo_gallery/guilty-death/index.html

Abortion advocates claim an unborn child is not a seperate person with inalienable rights.

Both cannot be correct. Which is it?

If a man kicked a woman and the baby died would it be murder, mere assault or something in between? Why?

Is there an inconsistency here?

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The baby was nearly 9 months along. Even the most ardent abortion rights activists would not have considered it a fetus.

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NickFun wrote:

The baby was nearly 9 months along. Even the most ardent abortion rights activists would not have considered it a fetus.

Are you contending that if the baby was only lets say 6 months along that Mr. Peterson would not have been charged for a double murder? lol

Let's not miss the point of the apparent inconsistency. Shall we?

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Don't stop the carnival.

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Here are 2 analysts that do refer to the child as a fetus Nickfun!

http://www.findlaci2003.us/prelim-day10-autopsy-conner.html

I guess fetuses do have rights.

or is it a baby? (Flip Flop) Incidentally partial birth abortion did allow into the 9th month a termination of the fetus (not a person) but is, well maybe?!

Partial birth is now illegal but would it be without the pro choice movement? Without Bush? lol

Again, is there an inconsistency of terms?

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But under cross examination by Geragos,
Brian Peterson said he could not rule out that Conner Peterson had been born alive.

This statement is from the link you supplied Bartikus,
and based on the evidence, the jury decided that
it must have been a live birth prior to the killings.

Regardless, a 9 month old fetus taken from the womb is
capable of living on its own, even a 7 or 8 month old fetus
is capable of life.

An embryo is not. Had his wife been 8 weeks pregnant
at the time of the killing he probably would not have been
charged with double murder.

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Good question, and the only explanation I can come up with is the possibility that the persons considering it a double murder are abortion activists. I'm pro choice, and this is a troubling question.

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Maybe we should have convicted him of one count of murder and one count of performing an abortion without a license!

I don't engage in these kind of arguments Barti. There's never a winner.

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It is illegal to perform an abortions on a 9 months old fetus.

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I'm not taking it as an argument, Nick. In fact, I think that calling it murder is a long term, back-door way of trying to outlaw abortions under any circumstances.

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Is an embryo a person? How about a sperm or an egg? Am I guilty of mass murder every time I ejaculate without producing an offspring? Such profound theological questions!

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NickFun wrote:

Maybe we should have convicted him of one count of murder and one count of performing an abortion without a license!

I don't engage in these kind of arguments Barti. There's never a winner.

Especially the fetuses..I mean babies...whatever.

How about a 7month old "fetus"? Is it a person or not?

Whichever way, we should treat them as such uniformly right? You can't say well this 7month baby has rights but this 7month fetus does'nt can we?

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Since you ask, possibly in jest, my own - and I emphasize MY OWN - feeling that it becomes a person when it has a chance to develope a personality. To me, that would be after birth.

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roger wrote:

Since you ask, possibly in jest, my own - and I emphasize MY OWN - feeling that it becomes a person when it has a chance to develope a personality. To me, that would be after birth.

So an unborn fetus being killed in any circumstance could not be murder to you?

Why does it seem the clear inconsistency within our laws will not be addressed?

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NickFun wrote:

Is an embryo a person? How about a sperm or an egg? Am I guilty of mass murder every time I ejaculate without producing an offspring? Such profound theological questions!

An embryo is not a person, it is an organism in the early stages of
growth and development - period.

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CalamityJane wrote:

NickFun wrote:
Is an embryo a person? How about a sperm or an egg? Am I guilty of mass murder every time I ejaculate without producing an offspring? Such profound theological questions!

An embryo is not a person, it is an organism in the early stages of
growth and development - period.

Then no one should be charged for murder or manslaughter for it's early termination. period! right?No? maybe

dance Rolling Eyes

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Bartikus,

I think your mixing things up here. No one is charged for
terminating an early pregnancy (embryo stages).

Scott Peterson was charged for the murder of his wife Lacy
and the murder of his son Connor who probably was
born prior to the murder. Regardless of that, Connor was
in a fetal development stage where he could have lived
on his own. An embryo never can!

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CalamityJane wrote:

Bartikus,

I think your mixing things up here. No one is charged for
terminating an early pregnancy (embryo stages).

Scott Peterson is charged for the murder of his wife Lacy
and the murder of his son Connor who probably was
born prior to the murder. Regardless of that, Connor was
in a fetal development stage where he could have lived
on his own. An embryo never can!

No, your skirting the crux of the matter.

When does a fetus become a person with inalienable rights? I know these questions are hard....but bear with me.

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Or don't answer because you know where im going in my questioning and...it's scary.

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Or don't answer because you know where im going in my questioning and...it's scary.

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How is it double murder? Our legal inconsistencies!

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