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Race in Children's Shows

 
 
sozobe
 
Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 08:56 pm
I asked a question in snood's thread that never got picked up on (I don't think, may have missed it), but I found it interesting and it's been sticking in my head so I decided to start this. It's not so much a question as a quick survey and a possible jumping-off point.

My daughter's TV watching is very broad but not very deep -- she doesn't watch a ton of TV and there are a lot of shows she's seen only a couple of times, but she's seen a really high percentage of the shows marketed to her on network TV, Disney, and Nickelodeon at least once. I always watch a new show with her to see how suitable it is, so that means I I have seen most of them at least once.

What I have noticed, in the context of snood's thread, is that the current generation of kid's TV shows tend to feature a new archetype -- the smart (sometimes nerdy), strong, and capable black character. This person is often one of two best friends of the main (white) character, but the minority character is at center stage for several shows.

Thinking about this more, there tends to be three minority groups that are given a great deal of attention -- blacks, Asians, and Latinos -- and then others are kind of catch as catch can. Furthermore, Asians tend to be grouped as a whole, with a seeming emphasis on Chinese at the expense of Japanese, Korean, etc. (And as members of those three groups will tell you, they don't consider themselves equivalent to the other groups -- see here, for example.)

One last observation before I launch this -- I had a terrible time thinking of minority characters because that's not how they had been stored in my memory. I'd keep thinking, hmmm, that show doesn't have a [one of the big three minorities] character, and then go DUH! Libby! (Or whatever.)


So, in random order, with a bit more emphasis on popular shows, and an overall emphasis on humanoids (as opposed to undersea creatures, for example):

Additional note, added after I was most of the way done:

I'm going to make this a smidge more systematic and just go through every show listed on the Disney and Nickelodeon webpages. Plus, Nickelodeon has handy character descriptions I can just grab. This initial post will be the regular Nick shows. The next post, I'll do Nick Jr. Then I'll do Disney.

(I don't know why this is sticking in my head, it just is.)

Danny Phantom

Minority Character(s)?

Yes, Tucker:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_dan_tuc.gif

His characteristics:

Smart. A techie. One of Danny's two best friends, and in every episode. Often helping Danny out of jams with his know-how. A bit of a geek, which annoys him when he's not owning it.

There is also a classmate whose name I forget who is Danny's most formidable human opponent. She's very smart and also very popular. She's in some episodes, but not all.

Fairly OddParents

Minority Character(s)?

Yes. A.J.:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_fai_aj.gif

His characteristics (cut and paste from the website):

Quote:
A.J. plays resident genius in Timmy's crew. He's got the biggest brains of the three pals, and Timmy's one smart cookie himself. A.J. will be the one to invent a pocket teleporter or something, he just hasn't gotten around to it yet. !


Jimmy Neutron

Minority Character(s)?

Yes, the big three seem to be covered.

First, Libby:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/jimmy_neutron/characters/images/img_jim_lib.gif

Website description:

Quote:


Nick:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/jimmy_neutron/characters/images/img_jim_nic.gif

Quote:
Nick Dean is the coolest kid in Retroville. He knows it. You know it. Everybody knows it. As a certified Cool Guy, Nick frequently gives Jimmy advice on what to wear, do, say or think. Nobody really knows whether any of the advice works or not, but one thing's for sure: It definitely sounds cool coming from Nick.


Sheen:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/jimmy_neutron/characters/images/img_jim_she.gif

His full name is "Sheen Estevez" and I think he's supposed to be Latino/ Hispanic, though I have a vague memory of this.

Unfabulous

Minority character(s)?

Yes, several:

Zach:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_unf_zac.gif

Quote:
Zach is Addie's best guy friend. He's an off-beat kind of guy and he's totally into social issues and causes. Zach even went barefoot to protest the social importance of name brand sneakers. Zach is not all activist all the time, though. He's actually an athlete and a member of the Rocky Road Middle School basketball team too!


Geena:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_unf_gee.gif

Quote:


Actually, that's not very accurate. Makes her sound more bubbleheaded than the character was on the episodes I saw (only a few, admittedly). She's usually talking down the main character from flights of paranoia/ imagination.

Cranberry:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_chelsea_tav.gif

A rare black villain, though she's paired with a very white (blonde + blue eyed) vilainous best friend:

Quote:
Cranberry and Maris have been best friends ever since they discovered their shared passion for making fun of anyone who isn't them. Though, it's true that Cranberry has have a flair for fashion and that shopping is her second favorite hobby, what she's most passionate about is coming up with humiliating names for Addie and Geena. Cranberry believes a clever and witty insult is a work of art and spends her spare time writing page after mean-spirited page of them. She considers "Chattie" Singer and Geena "Fart-iano" to be two of her best. "Bu-rn!"


Zoey 101

I've only seen like 10 minutes total of this show (hate it), but can just cut and paste from the website:

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_zoe_mic.gif
Quote:
Michael is Chase's best friend and roommate. Michael's a jokester who's not afraid to tell it like it is, which sometimes produces hilarious results. But all joking aside, Michael's a really good guy who would do anything for his friends. Seriously!


http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_zoe_lol.gif
Quote:
Zoey and Nicole were terrified about getting a new roommate this semester. But once they got to know the real Lola Camacho, the girls quickly realized she was one of them. Smart, spunky, and cute as a button, Lola can fit in with any crowd. And while she loves being at PCA, Lola's real dream is to ride her acting talents all the way to Hollywood, where she's destined to become a big-time movie star.


(Ew, can you tell why I don't like that show?)

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This is the only one that has a mostly minority (heh) cast. They're Asian, though it's hard to pinpoint what kind of Asian, exactly. Elements seem very Tibetan. Others seem almost Eskimo.

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_ava_aan.gifhttp://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_ava_kat.gifhttp://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_ava_sok.gif

This is a show with a lot of complexity in its characters -- they all have their strengths and weaknesses. (I have another thread on it alone.)

Now on to:

Shows I've seen with no significant minority characters:

Drake and Josh

Everyone on this show is stupid, and the minor character of Josh's boss (who is black) is less stupid than most. She's still no particular step forward, though, unless her ordinariness/ non-paragon-ness is. The character isn't written as black, per se, just happens to be.

Shows I've never seen:

Uh-oh....

I thought the banner at the top contained all the shows, but no, it's only about 1/3!!! I'll just ignore the shows I haven't seen and the ones that are non-humanoid (Catscratch et al). What's left?

Rugrats

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_rug_sus.gif

Quote:
Even great leaders like Tommy Pickles sometimes seek advice from older, worldlier people. The Pickles' neighbor Susie Carmichael is one of those people. Susie is 3, just like Angelica, but the similarities end there. If you go to Susie for help, that's just what you'll get. Even if she doesn't know what to tell you, she'll at least try. After all, Tommy wouldn't consult just ANY 3-year-old.


http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/images/img_rug_kim.gif

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OK, I'm DONE! For now. More to come, though, including several shows with minorities at the center.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 08:58 pm
General reverse-stereotype archetypes:

Smart, nerdy black characters.

Cool, strong, daring Asian characters.

Latinos seem newly visible at all (as opposed to negatively visible) that I don't notice as much purposeful anti-stereotyping.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 09:00 pm
Have you looked at Degrassi yet?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 09:02 pm
Much too old for sozlet. Now anyway... later I'd love for her to watch it, from what I've read about it.

I'm focusing on Nick, Nick Jr., and Disney for now.

Though PBS would be a good one to include, too. Maya and Miguel, Sagwa, and Sesame Street, the granddaddy of 'em all... (multiculturally speaking...)
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 09:03 pm
cast pic
http://www.degrassi.ca/gallery/img640_0.jpg
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jespah
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 06:40 am
The Tribe (which is for older kids, and is on wacky out-there cable, channel 225, and is PG-13 and from New Zealand) is also a mixed cast. The biggest villains (who are also very smart) are a nerdy guy in a wheelchair and his three mixed-race girlfriends, who are all sisters (on the show and in real life). The biggest heroes are a white single mother and a number of kids, some of whom I believe are a bit Maori.

Plus there's lots of hair dye.

http://epguides.com/Tribe/cast.jpg

But I know what you mean (aren't Tucker from Danny Phantom and AJ from Fairly Oddparents voiced by the same guy?), there's an odd kind of reverse overcompensating going on, it seems. Or some designations are just odd.

Sheen (in Jimmy Neutron) really isn't noticeably Latino, except for the last name, which is only heard sometimes. Libby is into music. The main twist(minority, in the sense of rarely seen on TV) is the overweight kid, Carl. He's dumb, but he tends to get the best lines. One thing about Jimmy Neutron is that it does show problems being solved with intelligence -- and the girls are often smarter than the boys. To my mind, this brings it above Fairly Oddparents, although both shows have dumb dads and there is plenty of deus ex machina to go around in both of them although, arguably, the raison d'etre of Fairly Oddparents is magic, so that's to be expected, I suppose.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:26 am
Great topic. I'm just following along. The thing about some of the Nick Jr. shows is that they purposefully mask or neutralize race by using non-humanoid characters. I'm thinking of Backyardigans and Todd World, specifically, but there may be others. Kind of off topic, but I wanted to share that observation.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:39 am
That's a good point, actually. When this was still percolating, I was thinking "What about Elmo?" (Voiced and puppeteered by a black person.) "What about Blue's Clues?" (Evidently there is a lot of multiculti stuff there, though you have to see the episode focusing on it to know (maybe the voices indicate it?) and I haven't seen all of them. But the purple puppy with glasses evidently celebrates Kwanzaa, accordining to a book I just read to sozlet at Barnes & Noble the other day. And I seem to remember (but am not sure) that the guy inside the Barney suit is black.

Quality of shows is another question, yep. I definitely prefer Jimmy Neutron to Fairly Oddparents, especially because of the intelligence quotient. (And the fact that it gets sozlet asking E.G. things like "what's a lepton?" :-D)
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:48 am
<reading along with interest.>
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:49 am
Another sub-topic -- the villains are almost always white, though they sometimes have a non-white sidekick. (Villains on tween/teen shows especially tend to come in pairs.) They're often female, though. Thinking Angelica, Vicky, Lizzie McGuire's nemesis (can't remember her name), Maris, etc. An exception is "That's So Raven", where the main villain is Latina and she has two sidekicks, one white and one black.

And one more thing I wanted to get in about Danny Phantom is that it has the new-Asian archetype too, taken one step further -- one of the two Alpha Jocks at the school is a big burly Asian (Chinese?) football player.

And one last thing (I'm just getting thoughts down before I forget them, now, will get more systematic again soon) is that "American Dragon" (which is one of the more interesting stereotype-busters, in general) is interesting in that the hero/ antihero setup is male and female. And they really fight! That's one of the last taboos; usually it has been male-male, female-female.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:56 am
Couldn't find a picture of the Danny Phantom Asian jock, (Kwan) but here's the guy who voices him -- Vietnamese! That's a new one.

http://www.aamovement.net/art_culture/art_culture_images/dat_phan_full.jpg
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jespah
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 09:28 am
sozobe wrote:
Another sub-topic -- the villains ....


Jimmy Neutron (you can tell what I watch during dinner) has villains that are of both genders, plus some aliens (the egg people, a few where one sounds like John Travolta, that sort of silliness). Plus Cindy (who is white) is annoying but also intelligent. I don't think that she and Libby qualify as villains because they are included quite a bit. And sometimes they are allies but sometimes there's competition, such as to sell cookies or at the Science Fair. What a concept -- it's a complex relationship!

I found, in Wild Thornberrys (man, I watch way too many cartoons) that the semi-villain character, the older sister, was misplaced. I thought Debbie was actually a somewhat normal teen. There was more realism in her than in the other family members, but the pressure is to root for Eliza. Why? I dunno. At least their parents are smart.

Fairly Oddparents has a main villainess, the babysitter, Vicki. And I ask you, what kind of an idea is that, pushing kids to revile the babysitter? I see the subtext of not loving when parents go out and leave the kid alone, particularly to do things that the child could be a part of, but surrogate parental figures are a fact of life. Demonizing one just seems like something that parents (real live parents, that is) should despise, almost like teaching a kid that doctors are bad.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 10:10 am
I know what you mean. I think "Fairly Oddparents" is generally trying to be from a kid's perspective without annoying moralizing overlayers of what adults think kids SHOULD be watching. Escapism. I saw a show recently where they mocked Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers!

The other main villain, of course, is Mr. Crocker, also a parent surrogate (teacher).

That's all given as the reason he HAS Fairy Godparents, though -- if the actual parents and parent surrogates were sufficient, he wouldn't need Cosmo and Wanda, who are the only ones really sticking up for him consistently.

On a more meta level, though, I think the show is trying (sometimes a little too hard) to be subversive and anti-PC.

On to Disney next...
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jespah
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:49 pm
Yeah, agreed, there's, oof, too much zaniness. It's as if you want to put your TV on ritalin when it's on. And yes, there's a lot of <wink wink> look how cool we are. But when they did the special, "Channel Chasers", there were quite a few jokes for adults, lots of things that kids would never get, such as a spoof of "Politically Incorrect".

I think it's that adults are either demonized or infantilized. The principal (at least she's a she) is a dope, and so, of course, is Crocker. Even Jorgen is a dope. Essentially, the only character with any real brains is Wanda, and she's portrayed as a nag. And I see the point, that that's the premise for the show, that adults are dumb or people are out to get Timmy, etc., but the thumb just seems to be too obviously, too heavily, on the scale in favor of him.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 06:55 am
I have long noticed that in Hollywood films, a fair percentage of villains are Englishmen. This also works for spies and buffoons.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I shall now don my Dick Dastardly outfit and peek over the fence, to see what the neighbours are up to.

This post will self destruct in ten, nine, eight........
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