Unpardonable sin?

Can you even be sure of this?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Can you even be sure of this?

Are your eyes green? See, I can ask questions too.

What is it you're getting at?

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most history is little more than educated guesswork and blatant exaggerations.

this...

I think you will find much disagreement to this statement.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

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most history is little more than educated guesswork and blatant exaggerations.

this...

I think you will find much disagreement to this statement.

By who?

I have to agree. History is nothing but someone elses view of what happened.

There are 3 sides to a story. Your side, my side and the truth.

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And my question was, how do you know this, how can the questioner make such a giant guess and be so sure? History is the chain of events that have actually happened. This is a total slap in the face to historians, people who match dates with names from multiple sources....I'm sorry, but ya'll are ignorant.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

And my question was, how do you know this, how can the questioner make such a giant guess and be so sure? History is the chain of events that have actually happened. This is a total slap in the face to historians, people who match dates with names from multiple sources....I'm sorry, but ya'll are ignorant.

Ok, believe what you want. But my statement still stands that the stories told are generally from one side and one side only, therefore are biased.

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So, basically do you pick and choose which recorded history you believe?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

And my question was, how do you know this, how can the questioner make such a giant guess and be so sure? History is the chain of events that have actually happened. This is a total slap in the face to historians, people who match dates with names from multiple sources....I'm sorry, but ya'll are ignorant.

We're all ignorant, which is more or less my point.

Historians can make educated "guesses" about ancient civilizations based upon broken bits of pottery and barely standing pieces of brick. But all it is is guesswork.

And as for what I said, I was mostly referring to written history which is, by it's necessisity, little more than a biased view.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

So, basically do you pick and choose which recorded history you believe?

Sort of, based on the limited knowledge we have available.

You can find different accounts of most events and patch together what you think happened.

Sure, there are factual historical events out there. Things like the Holocaust, that had thousands of different people all account the same thing, tell us it happened. How EXACTLY it happened, we can't say because we werent there to experience it. We can hear others accounts but they are individual, biased accounts of the event. (Which by the way, doesn't make it any less horrible) But then there are other things, like Columbus being the first to set foot in America, that is bullsh*t because who was there to account for it?

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Wasn' t that discredited before? The whole Columbus part?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Wasn' t that discredited before? The whole Columbus part?

Now it is and most people know it but not 20 years ago, I was taught and my books were printed, that Columbus was the first to set foot in America.

Do we know for sure who the first person was? Probably not. It's a guess because that person would have been dead for a LONG time.

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Rex the Wonder Squirrel wrote:

thunder_runner32 wrote:
Unpardonable sin and blasphemy are fairly much the same, and to my understanding, blasphemy is the denial that you need to ask for forgiveness.

Exactly. "Unpardonable" simply because the nature of the sin is preventing any pardon.

I'm currently reading Robert Miller's "The Gospel of Thomas, a Guidebood for Spiritual Practice"

The Gospel of Thomas is a noncanonical sayings gospel found among the the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library in 1945. Many of the sayings have parallels in the canonical gospel, some do not. Miller agrees with t_r32 and Rex as follows:

saying 10: Jesus said: I have thrown fire on the world. Look! I watch it until it blazes. Miller interprets fire to mean the Holy spirit, or wind/breath of God. The Holy spirit is defined as God's work on earth, taken from the use of the word spirit in Genesis 1:2.

saying 82: Jesus said: Whoever is near me is near the fire. Whoever is far from me is far from the Kingdom." The difference here is that Jesus identifies himself with the fire.

saying 44: Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven. Whoever balsphemes against the son will be forgiven. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in heaven. This saying is also found in the canonical gospels and there has been debate on just what that sin is. In my early Christian upbringing I was taught that it was taking the Lords name in vain - a definition I still hear from my Catholic neighbors. According to Miller, "To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is to take a stand against God's work in the world. This negates the possibility of forgiveness, since forgiveness is a primary work of God among us... But however much forgiveness is God's nature and desire, pitting oneself against the very source of that forgiveness closes the doors of God's mercy both on earth and in heaven."

Putting this into spritual practice then would have us not only be open to forgiveness, but to be forgiving.

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Do we know for sure who the first person was? Probably not. It's a guess because that person would have been dead for a LONG time.

Let's see if our evolutionist friends could give it a try.... Rolling Eyes

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Putting this into spritual practice then would have us not only be open to forgiveness, but to be forgiving.

Exactly

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

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Do we know for sure who the first person was? Probably not. It's a guess because that person would have been dead for a LONG time.

Let's see if our evolutionist friends could give it a try....

So, let me see...you can prove who the very first person to set foot in this country was? That would mean you are omnipotent. Wow. Impressive.

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Oh, not me...I'm not scientifically minded.

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To constantly reject the Holy Spirit I believe would be. He's always knocking, he's just waiting for us to let him in.

I think suicide is a forgiven. God knows how the condition of the world is in and how hard life can be.

Wanda

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Well, what would happen if everyone commited suicide? Wouldn't that negate the purpose of our creation?

Just a few thoughts...