spendius wrote:That's not for me to judge George.It's pretty smooth from here.I can distinguish primary from secondary drives.
I did a much longer answer but I've thought better of it.I do bear in mind young readers on here.
But I'll go this far:one can distinguish natural strivings for happiness from the secondary drives and especially the antisocial aspects of them which are the result of compulsive education.These latter can only be inhibited by morality and because evolution has nothing to say on that I am inevitably driven into the Intelligent Design camp despite the ridiculous claims of some I find there if only because it seems a more humane approach than the only other alternative which is state terror.The general intolerance of the evolutionists is already quite evident.They thrive on ignoring the social functions of religion as can be seen by their failure to address any of my salient points on the matter.They do not seem able to appreciate that science is concerned with what is and that social pragmatism is concerned with what ought to be.The idea of an evolutionist being opposed to price gouging or porn or brawling seems quaint to say the least.Their credo is let the devil take the hindmost.What use has an evolutionist for constitutions and laws and customs when he believes in the survival of the fittest which is precisely what constitutions,laws and customs are designed to mitigate.
That seems a pretty clear exposition Spendi, dont know why some find that difficult to take on board.
If you say evolutionary theory is not enough, then I agree. I accept Darwins basic theory, not because it makes God redundant, but because it actually explains whats going on. But just because I'm an evolutionist it doesnt mean I want to live in a jungle society. I think its quite possible that evolutionary pressures account for sentiments such as sorrow, altruism, even justice. As well as competing with each other for scarce resources, we have developed a complex system of rules and laws which you could describe as mitigating against the jungle laws of evolution. Oh hell I dont know what I'm talking about here, where's Jane when you need her?