Harry potter 7 theory.

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What Ray has said suggests there is an undertone of amorality in the books which is fair enough for those who welcome an amoral generation coming through.My guess is that the rules broken are not much more than mischief.

Not amorality, but mischief as you said.

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Any affairs with the English teacher?Any masturbation?Any spitting green gollies at girls?Any dope smoking or dealing?Any visits to internet porn sites?Any fart lighting?Any car stealing?Any stealing his Dad's fag(if he has a Dad) and booze?Those are the sorts of things lads between about 14 and 17 regularly do according to reliable sources.A few quite a bit worse.Any hacking into the CIA's computer?

Though those things had at many times happened in our world, there are also a substantial number of kids who I would think do not commit such behaviours. I have also read statistics regarding the behaviours of teenagers, but I think that I need to know more of their research methods to judge whether they are credible or accurate. Such statistics do risk generalization, and ultimately, a person's behaviours really depends on the person. It is not as if the author is ignoring the types of people you are talking about; Draco is one example.

There is also nothing wrong in writing about ideal characters.

The Harry Potter books, I think, should be read for enjoyment and if you feel inspired or touched by the perseverance of the characters, the friendship between them, or the goodness within them, then all the merrier.

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I agree with Ray.

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So do I.It's impossible to disagree when that neat qualifier "substantial" is present.I think Kinsey found that on one of the behaviours the substantial number was about 2%.

But in general Ray confirms my basic point which is that there is a class agenda.And an urban/suburban bias as well.And I don't think there is any doubt about a feminist agenda.
The really salient point is who actually buys the books and organises the hype and why.
The sport question looms large as well as does the seeming dichotomy between aggressive competitiveness and empathising co-operativeness.

Does Draco go underage binge drinking or football hooliganing.If he's the worst and he's not into that sort of thing the scale has been shifted from real life.

But what for them all at 20.They just have to die or disappear due to JK's own logic and that is that she can suggest ways of bringing kids up but can't take them past,say,18.Which is to say that the whole project is deeply flawed,misleading and dangerous.
That will be why the Pope said what he said and why some parents won't touch HP with a bargepole.

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I thought that the pope was reffering to the witchcraft element.
spendy, its just a story. I think JK probably wanted to become a pioneer for women writters- not that harry potter is written particually well- and to do that she couldnt include binge drinking because of her young target audience- although hagrid does get drunk with slughorn in the 6th book.
anyway... all this is detracting from the purpose of the post. Which is to try and guess what happens next, and i daresay that you can hardly begin to guess if you have never read the book.

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I wasn't guessing.She has to kill Harry OR try a Peter Pan OR just stop with no explanation OR bring him into the real world and get serious about understanding young men which might be a bit difficult with what looks to be her target audience.

What sort of occupations would a young man socialised as Harry has been by JK be happy or successful in.You should be able to answer that and if you can't his soul has been stolen.

How do you see him at 20?Untouched by human hand eh?

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I have it.He could be a "model citizen" and he could be presented to the nation at a press conference by Mr Blair as a shining example to us all.

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So do I.It's impossible to disagree when that neat qualifier "substantial" is present.I think Kinsey found that on one of the behaviours the substantial number was about 2%.

One of the statistics that I have seen includes the word "substantial." I might as well use it for the other point of view, since there are probably "substantial" number of kids for both ways.

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But in general Ray confirms my basic point which is that there is a class agenda.And an urban/suburban bias as well.And I don't think there is any doubt about a feminist agenda.

Class agenda? Feminist agenda? Assumptions or fact?

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How do you see him at 20?Untouched by human hand eh?

Doubtful.

Spendy, what is it with you and Harry Potter? Bad experience, annoyed by the hype? :wink:

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Ray-

Not at all.I love a good hype.

Nothing has been said by HP fans which has even attempted to answer what were only at first polite enquiries into a possible PC agenda.

Rather large numbers of Britain's youth decamp every summer to warm resorts further south for drug and booze fuelled sex orgies and general all round riotousness.Will JK take HP there.He's in the age group now which those resorts target in their advertising.I hear Riga,even,is now on the A list.

Putting rubber frogs from the joke shop on the dining room table to give Auntie a fright starts to pale once girls are discovered.In normal lads anyway.

What do you suggest for HP's future?

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Fortunately I am not familiar with those situations. Laughing

HP books don't intend to cover those societal issues, I would guess that just ending the book without Harry dying is good enough. He does have no interest in those things, and there is also the whole magical realm. You can't expect every novel to have its characters go through such difficulties.

Heck, I've never even come close to drunk sex parties...

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Ray wrote-

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Heck, I've never even come close to drunk sex parties...

That's what comes of reading HP I guess.

Don't put it off too long Ray.They are quite good fun if you can cut the mustard.

I daresay parties like that will be a bit short on HP fans.They probably have a more Motorhead style leaning.

Does HP wear T-shirts with risque blazons,jeans and trainers?

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Spendy. stop obessing about harry being a rebel. It aint gonna happen ok.
Now PLEASE can we get on with talking about what we are supposed to.

Notice that NOBODY comes on here anymore because of your wittering.

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This is dumb. We're just agreeing with each other!

I didn't go that far.

But I'll bow out if that's what you wish my Queen.

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Sorry, no its just the conversation wasnt going anywhere. And you really do need to have read hp to comment.

Ok then. Who is going to die in book 7 (apart from harry?)

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maybe pretty much everyone will die, just to finish off the whole thing.

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That would make the theme infant mortality.

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I heard that JK joked she might kill off the whole cast in 7 but I think that would leave too many devastated kids and put her in a bad light.

Some of you have great ideas about what might happen especially iamsimplytammie and Queenie.

Personally, I would hate to see Harry die, or any of the original kids. I have heard that there is some mention of Regalus Black on Emma's (Hermiones) website.

By the way Queenie, way to go on getting rid of Spendy.

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Why doesn't she "Doctor Who" him.Stick him in a time machine,not a telephone box,that's been done,a passport photo cubicle say.With a female companion of course and shoot them off to a planet where there is something in the atmosphere that is inimical to the practices of sex,boozing,betting,smoking,swearing,fighting etc.
and getting all dolled up for a night on the town.

That way she could keep going without ever once upsetting anybody for years and years.

Obvious.

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Why thank you benadam, and welcome to a2k.

Keep flattering me and I may send you an OBE.

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spendius wrote:

Ray-

Not at all.I love a good hype.

Nothing has been said by HP fans which has even attempted to answer what were only at first polite enquiries into a possible PC agenda.

Rather large numbers of Britain's youth decamp every summer to warm resorts further south for drug and booze fuelled sex orgies and general all round riotousness.Will JK take HP there.He's in the age group now which those resorts target in their advertising.I hear Riga,even,is now on the A list.

Putting rubber frogs from the joke shop on the dining room table to give Auntie a fright starts to pale once girls are discovered.In normal lads anyway.

What do you suggest for HP's future?

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