Walter Hinteler wrote:Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Well France won 31:6 and deservedly so
Allez les Bleues
Well done Francis
Wait until I'll get the results of our rugby team!
(On April 4, versus "Welsh Districts"
)
you play rugby in Germany?!!!
This is terrible news, we are doomed.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:you play rugby in Germany?!!!
Bundesliga, second, third ...
The student's "riots" are going on, a couple of universities (like Paris X in Naterre) are closed due to security while e.g. the Collège de France has been cleared after protest actions without any violence.
Photo from today's 'Parien' showing yesterday's riots in a normally just busy street (been there ten days ago):
A short summary from the viewpoint of today, noon:
- "strike" is on at nearly all universities all over France by now,
- Thursday and Satursday, students, the unions and other plan to start demonstrations all over Framcem
- all say that this is a peaceful demonstration [which it objectivele is, besides how the police acted at the Sorbonne last week and a bit yesterday at the Collège de France].
25% of young students are jobless, it takes an average of eight years until university absolvents get a permanent appointment.
Employees/workers fear now in France that this law will be the start to let labour law(s) drifting.
Villepin created this law all by himself (no talks with ministers, no debate at parliament) and has sealed his fate ( prime minister → possible conservative presidential candidate) with this law.
That makes it rather difficult to deal with him - and that law - without pricing him out of the market/politics.
It's said that Chirac will address to the nation shortly, backing his premier.
I can't believe he's holding firm!!
He's doing France a huge favor.
Who's "he" here, Lash?
Lash wrote:
He's doing France a huge favor.
Are you ironic here? Otherwise, why?
Thanks - no need to shout.
I copied the headline. I didn't make it large. That was your sizing, actually.
Sacre Blue.
The Frenchies are standing up.
Is this the tip of the Capitalist France iceberg, a nudge down the plank of the ship of Socialism...??
<Don't worry. No more bad metaphors.>
It is very difficult politically in any democratic country to persuade voters and citizens to give up economic "protections" that no longer deliver the benefits they promise - even when these "protections" are harming their future prospects. This is what is behind the French disturbances.
It is also what motivated resistence in the US, to reform of the Social Security system and what motivates our occasional outbursts of foolish economic protectionism - for example the steel tariffs of two years ago and our continued protection of selected agricultural markets, sugar, for example.
In both cases what is required is a government that will deal truthfully with its citizens and refrain from taking political advantage of their fears. Unfortunately this is a standard which few meet with consistency.
Lash wrote::Is this the tip of the Capitalist France iceberg, a nudge down the plank of the ship of Socialism...??
Actually, Lash, it is a left, socialist uproar against the conservatives - in government, parliament and against the conservative president.
I was talking about DeVillepin and Chirac, tacitly admitting that the more Socialist employment laws have not worked, have created a huge problem, and they must move to less Socialist laws.
I am not surprised that the students would revolt. That's quite a cushy little arrangement for workers. What is the motivation to do well at work, if no one can fire you?
Lash wrote:What is the motivation to do well at work, if no one can fire you?
Of course you can get fired in France ... and Germany and any other country with labour laws.
But the employer must give a legal reason we've arisen from serfdom here quite some time in Europe.
Walter.
If firing is such a difficult process, it severely impacts an employer's ability to cut someone loose....which leads to another reason for the youth to burn cars and whatnot.
I don't know why you seem to be pretending you don't know this. DeVillepin said it.
Well, like many others I see it differently.
I don't mind you seeing it differently.