Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 01:27 pm
The above quoted figures were those from the early morning .... and a bit to positive.

Confirmed by now: 425 burnt cars all over France, 177 in Ile-de-France and 248 "in the province".

362 persons were arrested (272 last year).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2006 03:37 pm
French President Jacques Chirac said today that he plans to officially end [press release, in French] France's state of emergency on Wednesday.

The status of heightened security and increased police powers, implemented in November in response to rioting in Paris, was originally scheduled to end in late February but will be lifted ahead of schedule as a result of calm New Years Eve festivities.

AP: Chirac Plans to Lift State of Emergency
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 11:24 am
As expected, the French Government today officially declared [statement, in French] an end to the state of emergency implemented in November to quell riots that tore through the country late last year.

Few French towns actually utilized the increased police powers authorized by the state of emergency, including the ability to set and enforce curfews and conduct searches of citizens and property without a warrant. The decision to lift the state of emergency was made after New Years Eve celebrations were more peaceful than expected.

France lifts emergency measures imposed in riots

Le Conseil des ministres approuve la levée de l'état d'urgence


The opposition, especially Socialists and Greens, say that emergency neasurers were just a make up and didn't really change anything.

The conservative governmental parties point out that indedd criminals didn't go on the scene and the public could be assured that the government acted.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 06:25 pm
I wonder if they'll celebrate by burning some more cars.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 02:30 am
Quote:
France hoping for happy new year as emergency legislation is lifted
Lara Marlowe in Paris


France's eight-week-old state of emergency will be lifted today under a decree signed by President Jacques Chirac at the first cabinet meeting of the year yesterday.



Recourse to the April 3rd, 1955 law had been "indispensable to give the forces of order the means to act", Mr Chirac told the meeting. "It was obviously a precautionary, protective and strictly temporary decision."

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin announced the measure at the peak of three weeks of race riots on November 7th. A parliamentary vote prolonged the Algerian war era law until February 21st.

But Messrs de Villepin and Chirac were eager to put the trauma of 2005 behind them and signal that France is starting the new year with a return to normality.

The Élysée secretly asked the interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy to draw up the decree last week. On the advice of security officials, who feared a flare-up over New Year's weekend, the emergency law was kept in place until today.

In the event, December 31st passed relatively peacefully, with "only" 425 cars burned and 362 men arrested across France. Anticipating trouble, Mr Sarkozy had deployed 25,000 police and in "sensitive neighbourhoods". gendarmes.

By comparison, 1,408 cars were torched on November 6th, the worst night of rioting.

Despite the dramatic symbolism of reverting to war-time legislation to quell the riots, Mr de Villepin oversaw what might be called a "state of emergency lite". In his November 7th television announcement, the prime minister did not even use the words "state of emergency", as if he were afraid of frightening the public.

The government announced in advance that it would forego special powers to censure media or hold military tribunals. Provisions for house searches, house arrests and banning public meetings were barely used.

Mr Sarkozy, who is competing with Mr de Villepin for the 2007 presidential nomination, let it be known that he opposed the law, and ordered prefects to enforce it sparingly.

Only 25 of France's 96 administrative departments were declared to be under a state of emergency, and only seven adopted a curfew.

A general night-time curfew was enforced in only one place, the Madeleine neighbourhood of Évreux, where two schools, a post office, a shopping mall and 607 cars were torched on November 7th.

In the six other departments that observed curfews, it applied only to unaccompanied minors after 10pm.

Bearing good tidings was not President Chirac's only motivation in lifting the state of emergency. In its third ruling on the legislation since November, the Council of State was apparently on the verge of siding with a group of academics who opposed it on constitutional grounds.

With a degree of peace restored in the immigrant banlieues, it was impossible for the government to claim it was protecting France from "imminent peril", as specified in the 1955 law.

Political support for the state of emergency was ebbing and even the extreme right-wing leader Jean-Marie Le Pen approved of its suspension.

The opposition socialists did not initially oppose the law, but said its three-month prolongation was "a bad sign".

On December 9th, Judge Bruno Genevois said "the possible risk of a flare-up during the year-end holidays" justified extending the law.

But, he added, "the circumstances which justified the declaration of the state of emergency have evolved noticeably".

Yet politicians remain aware of the explosive potential of geographical concentrations of large numbers of unemployed African and Arab immigrants.

"The reality is that we are far from a return to peace and calm, to the government control we were promised," the socialist spokesman Julien Dray said. The slightest mishap could precipitate a flare-up, he added.
source: Irish Times, January 4, 2006, page 8
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 05:39 pm
Thank to Walter - Our Man in Paris :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 12:12 am
Only twice per year Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 10:14 am
Coupla oldie summaries-of-news-stories I dont think I'd filed here yet:

With curfews in force and riots waning, has France finally turned the corner?
2005/11/11 · The Independent

Evreux is one of the French communities that have imposed a curfew, confining a quarter of its population to their homes. The measure seems improbably draconian in a place where ducks paddle in a town-centre trout stream. But looming over the town is La Madeleine - a sprawling network of apartment blocks and home to many nationalities, largely African, Turkish and Chinese. Now, anyone found outside there after 10 PM without emergency reason is liable to immediate arrest, a fine or a month's imprisonment. The curfew applies only to La Madeleine. The apparent inequality was not lost on Sonny, 18, whose parents immigrated from Mali before he was born. He described himself as one of the "scum" referred to by Minister Sarkozy, when talking about the rioters. "It's typical, isn't it?" he said. "They want to keep us in our cage while the rest of the town carries on like nothing happened. We'll all be good boys for a while and then it will happen again."

Sarkozy orders deportation of foreign rioters
2005/11/10 · The Independent

Minister Sarkozy ordered the expulsion of all foreigners convicted over two weeks of rioting in France, including those whose papers were in order. Human rights organisations denounced the measure as applying "a double penalty". There are 120 foreigners among the over 1,100 arrested since the riots began. Arrested youths almost all have criminal records. Many are the second, third or fourth generations of Arab immigrant families. Others are from African backgrounds. There is a sprinkling of ethnically French and eastern and southern European youths. The riots seem to be following the pattern of similar, but smaller, outbreaks in the poor suburbs of French cities in the past decade. De Villepin announced a package of aid measures, which restores cuts in cash support to poor suburbs imposed in recent years and promises a job, apprenticeship or internship to every young person in France's 750 officially "sensitive" districts.

France's Youth Battles Also Waged on the Web
2005/11/10 · Washington Post

While riot police are attempting to curb the violence in France's poor suburbs for two weeks, French officials have only just begun the struggle to control a more amorphous battleground: cyberspace. Hackers took over the Web site of Clichy-sous-Bois, where the first violence began, and dispatched thousands of fake e-mails announcing the mayor's resignation. Local gangs have used text messaging as early warning systems about the movements of riot police. "It's easy to see how the Internet can increase the momentum of the crisis," said Bruno Patino. Web monitors said the greatest impact of the Internet has been as a forum conveying messages that incite further violence.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 10:21 am
JustWonders wrote:
Quote:
On New Year's Eve last year, 330 cars were set on fire across France. This compares with an average of 100 cars burnt on a "normal" day in the country. At the height of last month's riots, 2,400 cars were burnt in one night.

Poor France.

I remember driving in my aunt's car, with her husband, and my sister and brother-in-law, through The Hague to my grandma's place, on New Years Day - as was something of a family tradition. She lives out in quite a nice suburb nowadays. The Hague, particularly famed for its, err, exuberant new year's eves in a country where fireworks explode everywhere in every street, looked pretty ravaged, as is something of a local tradition. We passed by a burnt-out car, toppled upside down, and my sister mentioned something about whoa, they must have really been at it this year. Before I remembered the new years eve street "partying" a few years back that culminated in the looting of a block of downtown Hague shops, my aunt, an organisational consultant nowadays, relativatingly deadpanned: "oh we used to do that every year".
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 10:36 am
And I missed this

Islamist threat in France

As Paul Belien, writing from Brussels this weekend observed: "It is not anger that is driving the insurgents to take it out on the secularized welfare states of Old Europe. It is hatred. Hatred caused not by injustice suffered, but stemming from a sense of superiority. The "youths" do not blame the French, they despise them."

As Mr. Belien reports, look what a typical radical Muslim leader, Dyab Abou Jahjah, the leader of the Brussels-based Arab European.

League says: "We reject integration when it leads to assimilation. I don't believe in a host country. We are at home here and whatever we consider our culture to be also belongs to our chosen country. I'm in my country, not the country of the Westerners."

...."Germany is an Islamic country. Islam is in the home, in schools. Germans will be outnumbered. We [Muslims] will say what we want. We'll live how we want. It's outrageous that Germans demand we speak their language. Our children will have our language, our laws, our culture"...

This is not about Muslim poverty (the Islamist terrorists who hit London all had good jobs. Mohammed Atta, who struck us in New York, was well-born and came from a prosperous family). It is about radical Islamist self-confidence and contempt for the West. And, it is about Western weakness.

from

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/tonyblankley/2005/11/09/174868.html
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 12:04 pm
Tony Blankley, author of the above Townhall column (and also the Editorial page editor for the Washington Times), in that column also wrote:

Quote:
Muslim parts of Paris, Rotterdam and other European cities are already labeled no-go zones for ethnic Europeans, including armed policemen.

Regarding Rotterdam, I can only say: bull ****. Sorry, but it's simply bull. There's no part of Rotterdam I would not dare to go to.

There are no parts of Rotterdam that "ethnic Europeans" can not go to, simply even because even in the worst of the city's neighbourhoods, there are still many whites living as well. Ie, even in the district Feijenoord (known from the soccer club of the same name), over a third of the population is still "authochthonous"; in Delfshaven, the most multicultural of the city's districts, it's close to 30%.

So that might have to make one wonder about the credibility of Blankley's other assertions as well.

Blankley here, I suspect, was merely parroting Pim Fortuyn's claim that there were "no-go areas" in Rotterdam; but Fortuyn (the populist, anti-immigration politician) meant "no-go areas" for him, personally, saying that if he would show himself in some neighbourhoods he would get beaten up. He said so in response to Green Left's leader Paul Rosenmoller's invitation to go into those neighbourhoods Fortuyn was always talking about together.

Also note - I personally got confused by the snip above for a second, thinking: Abou Jahjah saying Muslims will rule Germany? That sounds odd, he's more of an Arab nationalist than a religious fundamentalist - but that wasn't him, the second quote there is from an unspecified German radical Islamist.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 12:18 pm
German radical Islamists usually are only to be seen as numbers in some police and secret service papers.

I don't know of any no-go zones for ethnic Europeans in Germany .... and in Paris neither.
I remebr, however, that a couple of years ago - pre-2001 - someone was offering a city map with "shelters" for Americans, like Amercian Express offices, cafés run by Americans, etc for US-vistors in Paris. He explained to me in an email that US-Americans could move freely among Europeans. [Unfortunately, I lost that email at one of my computer crashes.]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 03:06 pm
again my only point is that imo the religious element of the disturbances in Europe has been deliberately under-played.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 03:20 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
again my only point is that imo the religious element of the disturbances in Europe has been deliberately under-played.


To demonstrate this with Dyab Abou Jahjah is ... well, not very easily to follow :wink:
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 11:19 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
again my only point is that imo the religious element of the disturbances in Europe has been deliberately under-played.


Of course I agree, but that's immaterial.

Steve-O, you're a European, and therefore carry a ready made credibility for folks like Walter, Thomas, and Nimh, and yet they dismiss your opinion on this one as casually as if you were some roughneck Yank.

Why do you think that is?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 08:22 am
nimh wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
Quote:
On New Year's Eve last year, 330 cars were set on fire across France. This compares with an average of 100 cars burnt on a "normal" day in the country. At the height of last month's riots, 2,400 cars were burnt in one night.

Poor France.

I remember driving in my aunt's car, with her husband, and my sister and brother-in-law, through The Hague to my grandma's place, on New Years Day - as was something of a family tradition. She lives out in quite a nice suburb nowadays. The Hague, particularly famed for its, err, exuberant new year's eves in a country where fireworks explode everywhere in every street, looked pretty ravaged, as is something of a local tradition. We passed by a burnt-out car, toppled upside down, and my sister mentioned something about whoa, they must have really been at it this year. Before I remembered the new years eve street "partying" a few years back that culminated in the looting of a block of downtown Hague shops, my aunt, an organisational consultant nowadays, relativatingly deadpanned: "oh we used to do that every year".


Okay.

Poor cars.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 11:59 am
Walter - What do you know about a New Year's Eve incident in Nice where 30 or so young thugs threatened, molested and robbed passengers? I heard it was very big news in France, but seems to have slipped under the radar screen here in the US and on A2K.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 01:58 pm
It wasn't only a big thing in France - all over Europe, I suppose.

A gang of youtj terrorized a train.
The gang of between 20 and 30 youths boarded the train, heading from Nice on the French Riviera to Lyon, early on Jan. 1, as it carried 600 passengers.

Obviously, 1.20 €-tickets (a special offer from the French railway company) attracted some not so desired passengers as well.

The affair became an affair, because the conservative government didn't make this public (and of course the railway company didn't want it to become public).

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, the hardliner even among the other harline conservatives,, blamed the (state owned rail company) SNCF for not communicating better with the police.
It is (only) now thought of creating a special trailway police all over France. (There are only some special railway security women and men in the Ile-de-France region.)

Here, in Germany, on such days/events such trains normally are watched closely by the Federal Police (part of which is our railway police).
Trouble here usually starts with some 'supporters' of some football clubs, both in the trains as well as in the stations.

That train in France had about 5 hours delay if I remember correctly - can't remember of such here,but staions were closed for some hours.

I don't think this to be a specific French problem, it's a problem with some youth all over a couple of European countries (besides in Germany).

My personal opinion is that society and especially politicans like to react "with panic" when such happens .... and then forget all about it.
More than 20 years ago, we talked about exactly such at university .... and used for lectures/exams a lot of (already then!) published material.

If not something essential is done, we will see such again and again - becoming worse and worse.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 02:35 pm
I don't think "no-go" means no one would enter--but certain elements, such as the police or perhaps a parade of Hasidic Jews, alcohol merchants or (by far the most egregious) women without birkas ...?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 02:38 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
again my only point is that imo the religious element of the disturbances in Europe has been deliberately under-played.


Of course I agree, but that's immaterial.

Steve-O, you're a European, and therefore carry a ready made credibility for folks like Walter, Thomas, and Nimh, and yet they dismiss your opinion on this one as casually as if you were some roughneck Yank.

Why do you think that is?
I dont know, ask them Smile

It could be that I am completely wrong. Though I have yet to be convinced.
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